89 Mustang GT 5.0 VS. 98-02 WS6 Trans Am LS1 5.7

[Mr. Luos]

A cam is an internal piece.

Everyone has their own version of what is streetable.
I don't think the MS3 or the MS4 are that streetable. Well...maybe streetable, but not daily driver material. And not because of the mileage.

Of course...even 224 cams are making 400 RWHP on the LS1's. And those are plenty streetable/DD material.

[Nate355RS]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

Not to mention its just dangerous to drive around packing that many ponies. Your one stuck throttle away from being seriously injured, or dead (or hurting others too).

I hear that, I'm really concerned about some rich kid or middle aged guy with no experance being behind some of these 500+hp corvettes and mustangs. I'm just waiting to hear about one of those flying through someone's house.

[Mr. Luos]

I pack 531 RWHP....
Street tires are worthless. Even 315/35/17's.

I run Nitto DR's as street tires. Decent traction on the street.
But yeah...if I just wanted power and didn't get suspension along with it, it would be a scary ride. When it does spin, the car stays damn near straight.

[Nate355RS]

Well of couse a cam's internal, I meant all other internals like crank, pistons, ect. Streetable means very different things for different people, but if you wanted all out power with a cam swap, ms4 is the way to go if you still want to be able to reasonably drive it on the street.

[Nate355RS]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

I pack 531 RWHP....
Street tires are worthless. Even 315/35/17's.

I run Nitto DR's as street tires. Decent traction on the street.
But yeah...if I just wanted power and didn't get suspension along with it, it would be a scary ride. When it does spin, the car stays damn near straight.

But you've worked you way up to that point. I'm afraid of someone who has driven something like a front wheel drive camry their whole life who decides to have a mid-life crisis and buy a car that they can't handle, or worse yet that they think they can handle. Or even worse yet if a rich kid like the one who drove his dad's gt-500 through the garage gets behind the wheel. I think you should have a special liscense to drive a car with some balls.

[Mr. Luos]

I am 27 years old.
This is by far the most powerful car I have ever driven.

Fastest car before this??? The '01 Grand Am GT...which is now the daily driver.
The Trans Am makes about 3.5 times the power of that car.

The suspension is a big part. This car simply doesn't want to loose traction. And when it does....it stays straight. Which is thanks to the suspension holding the rearend straight.

[hotrod_chevyz]

Im 26. I thought you was older than that Luos.

For me whats even more scary is people (no offence to any owners) that think they can take a car from the 60's with 4 wheel drum brakes, and put a bracket motor under the hood..As a mechanic i have a self-established rule: i always check out a car close before i do any kind of performance mods at all. If its at all lacking in brakes, steering or or anything like that, i refuse to install mods even if it means losing money. I will not install so much as a K&N air filter, on a unibody car thats rusted out, or some old clunker with shitty brakes and maypop tires. When they do drive it through a house or somthing stupid, im not going to live my life feeling guilty over it.

[Nate355RS]

But you did have experance with a bolt on LS1 and a cammed LS1 before you drove your 531whp monster. I know if I went from the '01 grand am straight to a street tired 500+hp car, it would be a big learning curve.

I agree completely with you Hot Rod. You drive a car without P.S. and weak brakes and a lot of power it could get out of line on you quick, especially with the pizza cutter tires that usually came on those older muscle car.

[Mr. Luos]

I am running stock brakes on my car.
Believe me, I understand that point though.

Mine stops no problem though. Pretty big brakes up front and 4 wheel discs. Stops no problem at the track after going 120 MPH. I am sure it would be okay from 140-145 MPH.

What scares me is someone that doesn't know what the car can do. Mine is built to handle and accelerate nicely. Doesn't handle great, but it holds it own. Really grabs if it needs to. Just don't want to be on the throttle much around corners.
Mine does scare me once and a while. Mostly only when cold out and looses traction at the top of 2nd gear.

You see the old video of me on street tires??

[Nate355RS]

Yea you were sliding all over the place, that was a great vid. Do you have a locker in the rear? I would never put one in my camaro, I like at least to be able to drive in the rain, plus if you lose traction in a curve it's game over.

[Mr. Luos]

Not a locker.
Detroit Tru-Trac. It is a limited slip unit.

This car does fine in the rain...as long as you stay off the loud pedal.
Although I try to avoid it.

[ZL1power69]

how do those DR's work in the rain? a friend of mine tried to drive in a rain storm in a 93 GT with ET streets on the back and the rear was constantly hydroplaning. my camaro wasn't to bad to get going in the rain, it just did not want to stop worth a damn and got me into trouble twice because of hydroplaning.

[Mr. Luos]

The Nitto DR's do fine in the rain.
Not sure about the MT radials. I hear they suck.

[doodad]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

A friend of mine has been opening a can of whoopass on the 06 mustangs (stock), in his 06 Grand Prix GXP (303 rated hp) with the tcs on off. Not to talk any shit or anything thats just whats been happening.

i Murdered one at track.. his was auto and he ran high 14s and i ran 13.6 i highly doubt those can run mid 13s.. he couldnt even hit low 14s all day!! all he was doing was spinning off the line.. FWD with some power = sucks at launch. i didnt know which engine he got but now i know they got 303hp! he probably whooped the driver of the stang GTs not the car, if he lives around IL, i am calling him out

[hotrod_chevyz]

Originally Posted by doodad

i Murdered one at track.. his was auto and he ran high 14s and i ran 13.6 i highly doubt those can run mid 13s.. he couldnt even hit low 14s all day!! all he was doing was spinning off the line.. FWD with some power = sucks at launch. i didnt know which engine he got but now i know they got 303hp! he probably whooped the driver of the stang GTs not the car, if he lives around IL, i am calling him out

I thought the opposite. fwd + some power = easier to hook up than rwd + some power.

Ive seen a lot more mustang GT's on the road than i have GXP Grand Prix. How many have you murdered on the road?

He hasnt gotten next to one that has been able to pass it (stock). Off the line, or at a roll. Im guessing because it has more under the hood (5.3 vs 4.6).

He says the same thing, the mustangs go up in smoke while he can get a launch without breaking traction (tcs off, paddle shifted).

With the TCS on, they will not spin the tires the limiter kills the capability to roast the tires. You might get about a half second squeak of traction loss than the tcs takes over. Maybe the owner of the GXP should have used the paddle shifter built into the steering wheel and left the tcs on because thats exactly what its for.

I agree with they probably cant get mid 13's but they are no stranger to high 13's wich is what i hear the mustangs get on average. Its strange to hear that a 4 door car even coming close to the new mustangs. In the next few years if ford doesnt use 5.4's and 6 speeds as a standard for the mustangs, just about everything GM makes considered a performance car will pass them.(once again not to talk shit...FACT)