First loss... (Knew it but still went ahead)

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

instead of a 2 gear race, you would have lost by way more than 8 car lengths.

With out a doubt lol we just barely scratched 80. He would have killed me atleast by another bus length or even 2 for that matter.

[RACER D12]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

My friend has a 944 an even he said his car wouldn't have shot, I've been in i plenty of times the stock just ain't enough. As far as me talking highly of my car I talk highly of the 6 Jap cars that in my opinion are the greatest to ever come out of Japan as far as stock and modifying capability not to mention their long history. 1.Nsx 2.Supra 3.Rx7 4.Vr-4 5.Skyline 6.Lancer (Evo)

Big difference between a 944 and a 951(944 turbo). A turbo S or an 89 951 will run a high 13 1/4 mile. Mine is a 88 which is more like a mid to low 14sec 1/4 mile... or it was never said I was stock. Even with my mods I have spent less than $8000 including car.

[jcsaleen]

I could have gone with a 944 or even bought my neighbors S for the right amount but I bought the seven because of it's rarity, age and condition.

I have probably spent around 14.5k total so far and all I have is the AST, silicon hoses, Boost guage, Hks superflow an a damn nice Catback but still it's worth ever penny. If you want to complain about budget that's not bad considering I've gotten offered an O4 Evo with 303 AwHp with a shit load more mods then my car for a dead even trade. 14k for a an absolute MINT car with no flaws inside an out perfect record isn't bad. My car looks almost as new an the 06 350Z and keeps up wait... No beats it. Mean while he spent over 39k for the car and it's bone stock. If you want to complain about performance my fail safe car was a custom blue 94 FD for 12k. It looked awsome work Emotions (bronze) and Ran 12.11 at the track with over 337 RWHP. So as far as bang for the buck I could have done better as far as speed but I chose milage and a condition. I almost bought a 400 rwhp 94 R2 for 13.5k... Single to4-R, rollcage an all but it got sold before I even got to see it (It had 47k miles).

[Mad_Maxima]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

With out a doubt lol we just barely scratched 80. He would have killed me atleast by another bus length or even 2 for that matter.

Yeah, and i noticed you have a Nismo avatar so you must be a fan of Nissans and you probably at least have some sort of respect for the 350Z as a car, am I right?

So if you do like the car but your only reason for being dissapointed in it is because it cost 3 times what you paid for for your RX-7 to beat you by 8 lenghts and two and a half as much for a car that lost to you by 6, thats just something I'll have to accept as your opinion and philosophy.

Although I disagree with comparing bang for the buck figures for used cars vs new cars, if you choose to do so thats fine. I mean I can pay 35K for a new Z33 or spend half that for a TT Z32 with a lot of mods running over 450 WHP and spank the 350 all day long and have my gas and insurance paid for years.

But in owning a brand new car you get something you dont with a used one, you dont get to see the odometer turn over to its first 100 miles, you dont have the true new car smell, you don't get the warrenty, plus everything else that comes with owning a new car. Just ask Musashi or Jayson, theres just something special about it.

[Slowprocess]

Originally Posted by TatII

can't compare the cost of a brand new car to a used car.

even when new the LS1 cost around 25K okay. but the car feels cheap as hell, and your basically just buying a body and the engine. the 350Z is much much more refined in everyway compared to the LS1. it cost more because more engineering went into it and its made of better materials.

If, by refined, you mean more cute and girlie, then yes it is much more refined than an LS1 car. I wouldn't have bought my camaro if my fiance would have looked at the interior and refered to it as "cute" like she does any new nissan(including her Nissan). I've never had the urge to by a "cute" car, regardless of how many little "cute" compartments and little gadgets it has. She loves her maxima, no doubt, but she still says mine is WAY more fun to drive. Wonder why?

[BlackGT2000]

I will never say that I don't love the RX7, but one of my best friends has one and he would tell you that its neither cheap or easy to modify. He added a cold air setup and the boost would spike like crazy so he couldn't even run it at WOT. He ended up having to buy some kind of piggy back computer just to run it with those modifications. Right now its at 330 hp I believe, very fast car, and he was told that he needed to get bigger turbos if he wanted to go any higher.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

I will never say that I don't love the RX7, but one of my best friends has one and he would tell you that its neither cheap or easy to modify. He added a cold air setup and the boost would spike like crazy so he couldn't even run it at WOT. He ended up having to buy some kind of piggy back computer just to run it with those modifications.

If it was just an intake on the car an the boost was spiking (boost creep) then there was something seriously wrong with the sequienials or the MAF settings. They are picky cars because the ECU's are still old even though they do adapt to changes like airflow an will increase the fuel output on there own. In order for boost creep to occur you need alot more then an Intake lol. With 330 hp I'd say your friend has reached the mark of daily driver territory to problematic street machine. Boost creep occurs usually with full exhaust turbo- back & intake. From there you need an ecu (your friends piggy back) which should leave you at around 330 - 350 with the twins. He's probably at a level where problems will most likely occur if cheap parts are installed. I'd highly reccomend if thats a cheap piggy back system then to get the Apex'i power FC (not the best or most expensive but most well know) also if he want's to alleviate problems tell him to get a non-sequential it will increase hp (yes, there's more lag) but it will remove the rats nest. Tell him Good luck with his FD though

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

Yeah, and i noticed you have a Nismo avatar so you must be a fan of Nissans and you probably at least have some sort of respect for the 350Z as a car, am I right?

I love nismo, I almost went to japan just to go the nissan factory because my family are friend with some of the ceo's there. My friend had an R33 gt-S with an Rb26 swap with a T51-R (Kai) all worked to hell was running 654 low bar. I will always have a place for skyline. It was my first passion for a street car. It helped me get back into automotive.

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

So if you do like the car but your only reason for being dissapointed in it is because it cost 3 times what you paid for for your RX-7 to beat you by 8 lenghts and two and a half as much for a car that lost to you by 6, thats just something I'll have to accept as your opinion and philosophy.

To an extent... I don't care that he beat me. I knew he was going to I saw his Tri-pillar stacked before I even lined up. I repect the 340Z to an extent but I will never truley have a place in my heart. I'm a 90's era person Love cars from the XJ220 to the 99 R34. I'm not a fan of 00+ cars unless they're continuations of past models Yes the R34 was made in 00+ but it started in 99 so it sqeezes in as does the Nsx. Even the Saleen S7 yes, It might have been released in 01 but the prototype was being made all the way back in 98. Personally I don't like the new Nsx's Imo or the V-spec Nur's for the matter.

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

Although I disagree with comparing bang for the buck figures for used cars vs new cars, if you choose to do so thats fine. I mean I can pay 35K for a new Z33 or spend half that for a TT Z32 with a lot of mods running over 450 WHP and spank the 350 all day long and have my gas and insurance paid for years.

I do to it's all about what car is and what it can do. If it's a good car then it's probably worth the cash.

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

But in owning a brand new car you get something you dont with a used one, you dont get to see the odometer turn over to its first 100 miles, you dont have the true new car smell, you don't get the warrenty, plus everything else that comes with owning a new car. Just ask Musashi or Jayson, theres just something special about it.

lol, My car still has the new car smell an to me an FD in this good of condition is like brand new. People as all time is that an 05 or something?! I simply reply no it's a 93 an they're jaw dropps. I don't think I'll see the odo turn anytime soon as I'm getting a pos as a DD. I actaully have a warranty on it for a 2 year lol. I got it with this backround car check company alot better then carfax too. Gotta try an find it but we qualifyed an made it. I'll admit there is something about owning a new car but the I bought the FD because the quility in todays car SUCKS. I look at how cheap the STi's interior is and the mazda's out today kill me including the Rx8. I look at how well crafted my leather interior is an it even put's my moms Clk-500 to shame. Sometimes it's bette to have used.


I got one thing NO 2000 has OB1 biotch!

[Mad_Maxima]

Werd, and just a FYI, I would take your RX-7 over a brand new 350 any day of the week.

[RX-7 Steve]

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

But in owning a brand new car you get something you dont with a used one, you dont get to see the odometer turn over to its first 100 miles, you dont have the true new car smell, you don't get the warrenty, plus everything else that comes with owning a new car. Just ask Musashi or Jayson, theres just something special about it.

I've never gotten to see the odometer turn over it's first 100 miles in any of my cars. Another good thing about new cars is that all the mechanical components are brand-new with no wear and nice and clean with no gunk.


Still, the greatest automobiles in history aren't fresh outta the showroom; you can't buy a new Mercedes 300SL "Gullwing", or '67 Corvette "Sting-Ray", or Ferrari G.T.O. Even if this 350Z was faster than his RX-7, the 350Z hasn't established itself as a true classic like the RX-7 has, nor does it have the RX-7's prestigious lineage of LeMans victories, not to mention that the RX-7 is one of the few cars in all of automotive-history to harness the unique rotary-engine.... a new-car warranty doesn't make up for that.

[jcsaleen]

Thanks, Are you planning on getting a Jap supercar anytime soon?

[Mad_Maxima]

I was gonna get a 92 300ZXTT with close to 400HP with under 100K miles for like $10K, but by the time I e-mailed the seller, he had already promised it to someone else. Other than that I don't plan on buying a new car anytime soon, just having fun throwing around the MX-5. And if I spend over 20K on a car I'll try and get a used S15 Silvia, and if that doesnt work out I'll explore some other options I have in mind.

[RX-7 Steve]

Originally Posted by Mad_Maxima

I was gonna get a 92 300ZXTT with close to 400HP with under 100K miles for like $10K, but by the time I e-mailed the seller, he had already promised it to someone else. Other than that I don't plan on buying a new car anytime soon, just having fun throwing around the MX-5. And if I spend over 20K on a car I'll try and get a used S15 Silvia, and if that doesnt work out I'll explore some other options I have in mind.

Sucks you missed out on that 400hp ZX.

Those MX-5's are fun cars. The Mazdaspeed's are a blast.

Do they sell genuine Silvia's in the U.S. or are you thinking about importing one or building/buying a clone. Those Silvia Spec-R's are sexy.

[jcsaleen]

Good luck lol. S15's are highly illegal in the sates due to the crash reg's. My friend wanted one but there's so much to convert it's not worth it.

[TatII]

Originally Posted by Slowprocess

If, by refined, you mean more cute and girlie, then yes it is much more refined than an LS1 car. I wouldn't have bought my camaro if my fiance would have looked at the interior and refered to it as "cute" like she does any new nissan(including her Nissan). I've never had the urge to by a "cute" car, regardless of how many little "cute" compartments and little gadgets it has. She loves her maxima, no doubt, but she still says mine is WAY more fun to drive. Wonder why?

well when i say refined, i mean that the cars interior didn't look like it came out of a dime store and out of hte 1980's. when i drive those LS1's and mustangs, it feels like i'm driving fred flinstones car. very cheap feeling and rattle everywhere with huge panel gaps, plastic run outs for hte trims not being molded good, and and cheap instruments that appears to be shared with every other GM car like the radio and climate controls. if your willing to live with that type of cheap outdated interior for a great engine. that is fine with me.

also the FD's interior is a POS. lol they try to make the car soo light that they use as little screws as possible with the most hollowed out pieces of plastic. yea the leather is okay, but the pastic triming around the gauage clusters always breaks and comes apart, the plast triming around the tranny tunnel also comes apart. the hand gripe by where the door latch is on the inside always cracks.

yeah the FD is really refined and well built. hahah 9 out of 10 FD's i see has a beat up interior that is falling apart worse then a chinese made car. if i get to meet you, then you might be the 2nd FD that i've ever known to have a interior taht is actually still in one piece.

so you calling the STi's interior trash is kinda ironic since they're known to hold up waay better and is made out of better materials and actually i held together with more then 1 screw.