Who Would Win

[Savior1974]

Like i said, those were the only times i could find for a auto V6 firebird. The times you posted were for a manual one and the times would be different for an auto.

[FormulaLT1]

What makes you say its a Manual?

Edit- you're clearly unfamiliar with the gearing and shift points and 1/4 performance of 4th Gen F-bodys so unless you have some first hand knowledge on the subject to add. Other than I know all auto and all manual and everything about cars because I once raced a auto with a stick or because I had a friend with a. The best advice is to say race and go see. I know for a fact from seeing 4L60-E's race the same type of car with T5's and T-56's. Auto's usually (8 out of 10 times) win. There are alot of variables, major one being gearing but don't be the usual uneducated racer to just look at two cars and say one is a auto and one is a stick and the stick will win. Thats just ignorant.

[Savior1974]

Because I know what a manual firebird will run in the quarter mile. I had to know when I used to have my V6 stang. Also i know an automatic V6 firebird will not outrun or even equal a manual V6 firebird.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by Savior1974

Because I know what a manual firebird will run in the quarter mile. I had to know when I used to have my V6 stang. Also i know an automatic V6 firebird will not outrun or even equal a manual V6 firebird.

So your calling me a liar? and everyone else on this board and every other F-body board I have visited for confirming the 4L60-E is better in the 1/4?

[TMC2k1]

Formula, its 2004 Jetta GLI I-4 turbo

[Savior1974]

Actually I do agree with you that the auto tranny is probably the better tranny for drag racing, after all, they are more consistant and the tranny can take alot of horsepower. And once you got some good gears in the tranny it will most likely be faster than the manual. But were talking about a bone stock 3500lbs+ firebird V6 that only puts out about 200 hp. RWD drivetrain loss is usually around 15% to the wheels, and the fact that the car is auto makes the loss even worse. So probably about 18% to the wheels total.

Compared to a manual 1.8T jetta with 185 Hp, with only about a 9% drivetrain loss to the wheels. Plus a 300lbs weight difference. Thats why I say the Jetta will win.

Dont try and make it like Im making the a manual vs auto battle becuase I know the potential of a well built automatic. It's more than just transmission. Weight and WHP are factor too. Look at those 200 HP CRX's and civics running low 14's.

But stock for stock. Jetta is gonna mostly win if he's a good driver. PLEASE RECOND THIS WHEN IT HAPPENS!

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by Savior1974

Actually I do agree with you that the auto tranny is probably the better tranny for drag racing, after all, they are more consistant and the tranny can take alot of horsepower. And once you got some good gears in the tranny it will most likely be faster than the manual. But were talking about a bone stock 3500lbs+ firebird V6 that only puts out about 200 hp. RWD drivetrain loss is usually around 15% to the wheels, and the fact that the car is auto makes the loss even worse. So probably about 18% to the wheels total.

Compared to a manual 1.8T jetta with 185 Hp, with only about a 9% drivetrain loss to the wheels. Plus a 300lbs weight difference. Thats why I say the Jetta will win.

Dont try and make it like Im making the a manual vs auto battle becuase I know the potential of a well built automatic. It's more than just transmission. Weight and WHP are factor too. Look at those 200 HP CRX's and civics running low 14's.

But stock for stock. Jetta is gonna mostly win if he's a good driver. PLEASE RECOND THIS WHEN IT HAPPENS!

Using your stats on a 200 horsepower car we are talking about 6 horsepower difference. I can't believe you are making a issue that it can't be a auto in that car & driver cause it most likely lost 6 horsepower more without looking at all the other stats. Stock for stock the 4L60-E from a 1/4 mile view anyway is usually (in most cases) the advantaged transmission to its manual counterpart. This means in most cases in a street race with your average run of the mill drivers out there from light to light or block to block non highway racing. The auto will win. This does and will have a advantage in him racing his friend with a stick.