Who's ready for some controversy!?!?!

[eversio11]

I think you hit the head on the nail with your first theory

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by AlbanyCartel

I have a question;

If this was all true; that Christ did have a child, why would the organization holding the secret still keep it a secret?

Without referencing "The Da Vinci Code", why wouldn't they just reveal the truth instead of keeping it a secret?

I would guess that there would be wars break out over this I'm sure. What if person A says this and person B says this. Person A is of Christ's bloodline but the follows of B say they're just using their bloodline to throw their weight around.

I mean we can see how the Pope has power. Yeah I know it's not political power but anybody can see he can really throw some weight if he wants too. Now that's just the Pope, think if this person were of the bloodline of Christ?

I even saw one article where a guy suggested that later on probably the Pope and the Catholic Church would maybe try to fight the rule of a Christ's offspring and there would be a power struggle.

Those are just educated guesses though.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by AlbanyCartel

I have a question;

If this was all true; that Christ did have a child, why would the organization holding the secret still keep it a secret?

Without referencing "The Da Vinci Code", why wouldn't they just reveal the truth instead of keeping it a secret?

Whats the truth? Different religions have different views on Jesus's (p) life. Jesus(p) having a child with "Mary Magdalene" is completely created. Never it was mentioned in the Bible. Mary Magdalene was never mentioned in the Qur'an as far as my understanding. So I can't really say she ever really existed.

Jesus(p) got married and had a child is completely rejected by the major Christian denominations (Catholic/Orthodox).

[AlbanyCartel]

How big of a clash would it be?

I mean, if it was suddenly revealed, with exhaustive and irrefutable DNA backed evidence (I figure thats how they would reveal the news; irrefutable due to the fact they would have had so much time to prepare and would cover every angle in which the church could attack discredit them with), wouldn't most just simply "quit" the current form of Catholicism without making a fuss?


The current church would loose all power.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by AlbanyCartel

How big of a clash would it be?

Not that big? Or non at all. You're over thinkin this too much.

Originally Posted by AlbanyCartel

The current church would loose all power.

What church and what power? No church has any power.

[BigBL87]

I havn't seen the movie, not have I read much of the book (Just read the "Facts Page"), although I intend to read it when my dad finishes the book. I think it's a good novel, in the fact that it grabs and holds your attention, and can be a fun read. However, what I take exception to is the supposed "facts" that are listed on the fact pages and declared. One example is when the deity of Christ is portrayed to have been determined at the Council of Nicea. There was little question that he was, as the "close vote" on the subject was 318-2. What was more in question was HOW he was divine. There are a number of other problems with his "facts," but ya, good book, not good history.

BTW, if anybody is interested in a perspecitive from a highly educated Christian scholar, check out this link:

http://www.christianstandard.com/pdfs/649.pdf

He's a friend of my family and a very intelligent man.

[MonsterBengt]

I've always said this, religion as well as science are tools. Though science need to be proved and tested to be of use, religion doesn't. If all believers were to be truly 'good' christians, or whatever the religion, these discussions wouldn't have to take place. Religion is to help one with theoretical answers to questions that can't be answered or guidence in life. This movie is for entertainment and brain tickeling, not questioning christianity. As an atheist I can't give arguments of a christian point of view, but I'd probably say that i watch it 'cause It's a good movie and Tom Hanks is a great actor. Dumb people... I agree with Muscle, its one mans Fiction ffs, get over it.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

What church and what power? No church has any power.

Orgainised Religion is ALL ABOUT POWER.

[BigBL87]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

I've always said this, religion as well as science are tools. Though science need to be proved and tested to be of use, religion doesn't. If all believers were to be truly 'good' christians, or whatever the religion, these discussions wouldn't have to take place. Religion is to help one with theoretical answers to questions that can't be answered or guidence in life. This movie is for entertainment and brain tickeling, not questioning christianity. As an atheist I can't give arguments of a christian point of view, but I'd probably say that i watch it 'cause It's a good movie and Tom Hanks is a great actor. Dumb people... I agree with Muscle, its one mans Fiction ffs, get over it.

I would agree, but when he makes false claims as facts (not within the story, but on a facts page), that's when I have a problem with it. It's not the idea of his story, it's a good job of fiction I think, but claiming things as facts that aren't that bothers me.

[driftinggrifter2]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

What church and what power? No church has any power.

The Catholic Church is all about power. Shit the Vatican is its own country for the most part. The Pope is probably the most powerfull and respected man in the world. I guess thats what you get for all the wars and crusades and all the other things they did in the name of god over the decades.
Another thing to, Bill Gates or whoever might be the richest person but the Catholic Church is the richest out of anyone on the planet and they own more property than any one as well. Bill Gates couldn't even dream up so much money and land.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

The Catholic Church is all about power. Shit the Vatican is its own country for the most part. The Pope is probably the most powerfull and respected man in the world.

Well define power. The Popes power (temporal power) is only limited to certain extent. They have hardly or no political stance on world issues. Pope John Paul II says, "do not invade Iraq." Did anyone listen to him? NO! Why? Because he has no say in the matter. Hes only a catholic religious leader. They're not the President,Military Generals, Sergeants etc.... They have no army. What power does he have? They use to have temporal power.The temporal power ended in 1929!

[Moppie]

Mellow, you sound like a Niave teenager.
There is more to power than being a president, infact most presidents have very little power, its all for show.
The pope himself has very little power, but the Chruch has lots, there are roughly a 1 billion catholics in the world, thats a big army to draw from if you need to. And its a lot of people having sex with out condoms.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Moppie

The pope himself has very little power, but the Chruch has lots,

I was tryin to make my point but you didn't seem to get it. The Pope has internal powers within the Catholic community. As far as my knowledge atleast.Please explain to me what kind of power the Church has? All you keep saying is the church has power. So answer my question please.

Originally Posted by Moppie

but the Chruch has lots, there are roughly a 1 billion catholics in the world, thats a big army to draw from if you need to.

Are you describing faith or world dominance?

[Oz]

mellowboy, your understanding of power is elemantary at best.

How does the pope have power? I would start with the billions and billions of dollars in cash and assets the Catholic Church has, and his ability to influence the views of millions of people worldwide.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Oz

mellowboy, your understanding of power is elemantary at best.

How does the pope have power? I would start with the billions and billions of dollars in cash and assets the Catholic Church has, and his ability to influence the views of millions of people worldwide.

WOW! No need to insult here? We're having a discussion. Can we be civilized about this?

Originally Posted by Oz

How does the pope have power? I would start with the billions and billions of dollars in cash and assets the Catholic Church has, and his ability to influence the views of millions of people worldwide.

So just like I said...you're describing power as in faith. Thats all I needed to know.