a world at peace

[cody_e]

Originally Posted by NAVY IC

I'm stationed on an amphib, my job is to get the marines and their gear to the fight, and then bring them home.
The most immediate threat to us while we're at sea is boarding other ships, small boats and mines.
The average marine see way more than than the average sailor, (excluding special warfare), once they leave the yacht.
But we all work together, live together, eat, sleep, play and party together for months at a time while we're deployed.
Anything that happens to us while we're deployed is a sea/war story, and that's pretty much how we spend our time.
Regardless of what the Big Wigs talk about, or what the NEWS is "allowed" to report, we're the ones living these stories, we know what's going on.

And that is why I have the utmost respect for you guys and am proud to have my "support your troops" magnet on the back of my car.

[zx2guy]

Originally Posted by NAVY IC

and just so you know, I've been all over the world. I've been through the gulf, the suez and a whole bunch of those countries in the middle east. I've been to over twenty different countries worldwide and you know what...f?ck what you heard on cnn, we do what we want, when we want, wherever we want and nobody have ever or will ever say sh?t to us....

America, F?ck Yeah...!!!!

im not arguing and im proud that you joined up, and are fighting for our country... all im sayin is i wish there was a way that we can enforce ourselves without appearing overly commanding, because i think thats one reason terrorists dont like us... they dont agree, and when we say "too damn bad, do it" they get all pissed. and i recall a quote from Gen. patton " noone ever won a war by dying for thier country, they won by making the other poor bastsard die for thiers." and i would rather you not die for yours because some terrorist prick sucker punches us again.

[Rufe]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

the saddest thing to me about the iraq war is the destruction of the cities.

the place of the arabian nights is now a pile of rubble.
it really saddens me to even think about how something so tragic could happen to a place with so much cultural history.

If you knew one tenth of that cultural history, you would realise that it has been a continual cycle of conquering and war. Perhaps you might read up on Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes for a starter. How many times did babylon revolt under them? What happened?

Another comment for an earlier poster, Do not confuse the man with the religion.

If you want to eliminate wars, a good way is to eliminate Hatred first. If you can tell me how to do this, (eliminate a basic human instinct), then you can try to persuade me that peace has a chance. A very noble endeavor, regardless.

[travis712]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

You'll never get everyone to agree on anything, however, since there is people in the world that can resolve differences without resorting to violence there is the hope that one day they will be the majority in the general populace and more importantly in leadership positions around the world.

Yes I suppose there is hope, but I believe there is more people that will stand up for there opinion and fight there believings instead of just coming to a agreeable term, etc.


hope that made sense

[Toksin]

Originally Posted by NAVY IC

are you serious...I joined the us military, (the world's foremost ass-kicking organization) on september 12th, 2001 for the single purpose of kicking ass, and that's exactly what we are doing, it's what america's been doing since forever, and now I'm a part of it....

and just so you know, I've been all over the world. I've been through the gulf, the suez and a whole bunch of those countries in the middle east. I've been to over twenty different countries worldwide and you know what...f?ck what you heard on cnn, we do what we want, when we want, wherever we want and nobody have ever or will ever say sh?t to us....

America, F?ck Yeah...!!!!

That post pretty much embodies everything that's wrong with America.

[03cavPA]

I'd rather visualize whirled peas. Vegetables are more forgiving.

As long as there are 2 humans left on the earth, world peace is still just a dream. Not gonna happen, but it's nice to dream.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

As long as there are 2 humans left on the earth, world peace is still just a dream. Not gonna happen, but it's nice to dream.

It will happen someday God willing.

[cody_e]

I think wihtout radicalism the world would be a way more peaceful place.

[erb]

There will never be peace in the world and also the bible says if i remember correctly right before the anti christ comes back there will peace in the middle east. Which would you rather hae?

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by flathead_dave

There will never be peace in the world and also the bible says if i remember correctly right before the anti christ comes back there will peace in the middle east. Which would you rather hae?

I think you've got that backwards.

The bible states there will be a 7 year war(i believe) that will be a war greater than all wars before it. At the end of the war is when God will come down from Heaven destroying the anti-christ and all who turned their back on him. Then there will be peace on earth among all men.

The current area in Jerusalem I believe where the Mosque or whatever is that all Muslims view as holy is supposedly built on top of what was the holyest of holy sites of christians and jews. The holy grail is supposedly one artifact believed to be at that site.

I'm sure I'm a little confused, I'm trying to recall too much from too far back in my mind.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by flathead_dave

There will never be peace in the world and also the bible says if i remember correctly right before the anti christ comes back there will peace in the middle east. Which would you rather hae?

Thats your beliefs and opinion. I respect that. Every religion has there own version on how the world will end or how Isa (Jesus) would come and destroy the Anti-Christ. It is interesting to hear different versions from different religions.

[DVS LT1]

Originally Posted by NAVY IC

I joined the us military, (the world's foremost ass-kicking organization) on september 12th, 2001 for the single purpose of kicking ass, and that's exactly what we are doing, it's what america's been doing since forever, and now I'm a part of it....

Just an observation… (which I’m expecting to get an ear full of “fuck yeah!” & “America!” in response to)

You say you’ve been all over the world,
You say people treat you special and that you party with hot bitches wherever you go,
You say you drive a boat full of guys to a fight and then pick them up (while yelling “America, fuck yeah!” to & fro no doubt),
You don’t seem to care about fellow servicemen dying because the important thing is killing the other guys,
You don’t seem to care about civilians caught up in conflict because you guys are really helping them and doing them a service…


Well, it sounds for one thing like you’ve got a pretty cool job (seriously) – I sit behind a desk all day and hit up a gym a few evenings a week if I’m lucky. Closest thing to boating or traveling I get is taking my friend’s SeaDoo out for a spin up at the cottage but that’s only a few times every summer… but I, eh-hem, have a pretty sweat toboggan for the winter. (lol you probably don’t even know what a toboggan is. But I’m sure you could strap explosives to it and ghost ride it down a hill towards any army of snowmen if you wanted to). ANYWAYS – I’m reading your posts about how wicked your job is, how great “ass-kicking” is, how people dying or suffering don’t matter because as long as it’s the enemy is being killed that’s the key… I’d like to see what your attitude would be like if you were the one whose job it was to stand on a street corner in downtown Baghdad everyday. That’s right: standing in the same spot every day, in full gear in the hot sun, watching car bombs blow up all around you on a daily bases, having to talk to the people whose lives get rearranged on a daily basis. I’d like to see how righteous you would be then.

Because it seems to me – from what you’ve provided in your posts anyways – that you are NOT the one doing the fighting or talking to the people living in turmoil. You drive around a boat to the war zone then split; the only people you seem to talk to are the people along the ports who probably make their living on the sailors coming in (not necessarily in a bad way but its money coming into their economy either way when a boat load of sailors arrive). This is not to say that your job isn’t dangerous either – but I would love to see your reaction and comments if you were dropped in the middle of the street in Baghdad with a rifle, helmet, and a granola bar, and made to trek through neighbourhoods sticking your head into doorways to look for insurgents.

To me you are just a guy who likes to watch and talk about ass kicking and nothing more. I could do the same at home on TV if I wanted to; you’d simply have the inside scoop (but I’d have the popcorn). Why don’t you ditch the zinc oxide and boat driving job, put on a pair of marching boots, and take a rifle and go door to door in these urban hell holes they call residences in Iraq if you want to kick ass. Once you see what ass kicking is really like, you might not think the same.

[DVS LT1]

Sorry... I'd feel bad if this were the last post in a thread that's supposed to be discussing world peace.

I think whatever brings us closer together as a global people is what is going to help promote peace. Right now religion seems to charge people's emotions so much - just look at what the Pope is going through; I have no idea what he said but just read how there's been isolated incidents of backlash throughout the world. People need to mellow out - it's fanaticism that's going to do us all in. May sound strange (sad moreover) but I think it's going to take a massive natural disaster or something that will effect the whole planet like a massive doomsday asteriod before everbody on earth unites and works together. Then again some people may see that as a religious sign and welcome such an event... who knows. Maybe some evil aliens coming down would band us all together.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by DVS LT1

just look at what the Pope is going through; I have no idea what he said but just read how there's been isolated incidents of backlash throughout the world. People need to mellow out - it's fanaticism that's going to do us all in.

He was reading some scripture written by some past emporer.







In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness, abrusqueness which leaves us astounded, on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable.



http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...nsburg_en.html


IMO, he did this intentionally.Why else would he bringit up? This is not the time for one to disrespect peoples belief because we are in a crisis ando pe0ple especially muslims are very sensitive as if this moment. With the war goin in the Muslim countries, how the media potrays Islam , the terrorists everything has gone wack. The Pope couldn't pick a better time...

Many Muslims feel oppressed by stupid foreign laws and the media. People always say "how come the Muslims doesn't say anything on the terrorists." Im not speakin for them but let just say that we are not responsible for other people's actions! Second, we only hear one side of the story and thats the media. Third, we are doing something about by promoting peace. Look at it as if it was a tug of war..

Muslims (promoting truth/peace) <<<<Non Muslims >>>> Terrorists (promoting violence/wahabbism)


Some muslims forget to the that our Prophet (pbuh) has been insulted many times during his prophetic time. He did not go out and killed the people who hated him, disagreed with him or insulted him. Theres Hadiths (Prophets sayings) and Sunnah (Example of how the Prophet lived) that proves my point.These are the examples that the Muslims most follow. The Prophet says that if anyone rejects the Sunnah they are not of him. Meaning if they rejected his ways, they are not Muslims. I will find some Hadiths that some of you care to read. If theres any Muslims on this board, speak up!

Thats my take on it.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by Rufe

If you knew one tenth of that cultural history, you would realise that it has been a continual cycle of conquering and war. Perhaps you might read up on Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes for a starter. How many times did babylon revolt under them? What happened?

and how many of those wars involved bombing the crud out of the cities?
does the fact that the place has a history of wars make my opinion that it is a tragic that a place like bagdad with such a massive cultural history any more wrong?
Am i wrong in pointing out not just the cultural history of the place but literary significance of the place in western culture as well?
if i read up on the complete history of the place, would that make my opinion of the current situation in Bagdad any different?

anyway, [i]you[/i[ should realise that this is currently not a war on Iraq nor is it a conquering. It is a war on people that are happen to live in Iraq. It is also not the people of Iraq that are doing the fighting against the terrorists; it is a bunch of outsiders who are fighting and the people are caught in the middle.


Regarding the Pope and the quoted text; what was the context of the quote?
is that the complete quote?
if so, i can only see that the complete quote is part of a longer text that discusses the wrongs of fighting to force religion which i can't see to be a wrong thing to say.
It seems to me that the Pope's quoted text has been taken totally out of context.