The fact of the "Illegal" issue that many people refuse to acknowledge...

[tenguzero]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060526/...ation_fox_dc_1

I think I just vomitted a little bit.

Is this REALLY happening? How about the dude at the end of the article that actually defends Fox. Yeah, right -- like boycotting a speech by a worthless president (Fox doesn't really have SHIT to show for 6 years in office, considering what he went into his term promising) is "so insulting", but a few thousand illegals boycotting jobs they obtained illegally anyways to march on major cities demanding better treatment for their felonious asses is somehow OK?

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Ummm, actualy, during the 70s and 80s that happened, and we encouraged it.
NZ now has more pasific islanders living in it than there are left living in the pasific islands.
Europeans and Maaori make up less than half the population in our biggest city, the rest have immigrated here in the last 50 years from the pasific and asia.

Heres another way to think about it, America has some of the worlds largest deposits of minerals, and has more land per person than almost anywhere else in the world, and certianly has more productive land per person than anywhere else in the world.
It holds control of well over half the worlds wealth, yet only has 2.5% of the worlds population.
Prehaps its time you thought about sharing some of those resources and that wealth with people who need it, and not by giving it to them, but by giving them fair access to it, i.e. letting them live and WORK in the US?

America is facing a similar problem to what NZ went through in the 70s, a lack of unskilled labour, or any kind of labour force that is prepared to work for low reward.
We solved it by opening our boarders to imigrants from our pasific neighbors, and our manufactoring base is now well supplied with labour, and doing very well. Infact we know have a good supply of unskilled labour, and are running out of skilled labour, which is a small problem that isn't hard to fix, especialy as the decendants of the unskilled labour that came here in the 70s start to find thier way into higher education.

I think you're missing the point Moppie.

I have no problem with imigration. I'm glad there are people who are doing stuff we don't want to do. The thing is, I want it done legally. Secure the border but also open them up. Let the U.S. pick who to let in and out but make it easier for people who really want to work get in.

I'm sick of...
1. Mexicans killing people then jumping over the border so they won't get caught. Yes it is happening.
2. Illegal drugs flowing into this country from Mexico. This is a big problem in my area.
3. People demanding special treatment and wanting me to adapt to them. HELL NO. You came here, you adapt for me since you wanted to come here in the first place.
4. People coming here just to take advantage of our welfare system. People in our own country are already causing problems with this. We don't need another country thrown in.

This one really pisses me of.

5. You DO NOT go into another country and demand rights from its citizens while RAISING YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG OVER THE COUNTRY YOU'RE IN.

I wouldn't mind sharing with people who have less than me. BUT I'm not going to let some leeches suck off of me so they can live better and take advantage of things. That and the fact that Mexico is the biggest fucking hypocrite ever and I really hate the country's attitude to all of this.

[stone_mound_camaro]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

I think you're missing the point Moppie.

I have no problem with imigration. I'm glad there are people who are doing stuff we don't want to do. The thing is, I want it done legally. Secure the border but also open them up. Let the U.S. pick who to let in and out but make it easier for people who really want to work get in.

I'm sick of...
1. Mexicans killing people then jumping over the border so they won't get caught. Yes it is happening.
2. Illegal drugs flowing into this country from Mexico. This is a big problem in my area.
3. People demanding special treatment and wanting me to adapt to them. HELL NO. You came here, you adapt for me since you wanted to come here in the first place.
4. People coming here just to take advantage of our welfare system. People in our own country are already causing problems with this. We don't need another country thrown in.

This one really pisses me of.

5. You DO NOT go into another country and demand rights from its citizens while RAISING YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG OVER THE COUNTRY YOU'RE IN.

I wouldn't mind sharing with people who have less than me. BUT I'm not going to let some leeches suck off of me so they can live better and take advantage of things. That and the fact that Mexico is the biggest fucking hypocrite ever and I really hate the country's attitude to all of this.

wow, cool... another person I agree with