M3 Opponents

[robslob]

thats pretty frightening-----seeing a bus move that fast lol . . . I'm with you on the comment about making anything fast-----I don't really get that excited about the stock comparisons that car mags make-------because you and I both know-----that what comes off the floor-----in many cases----as a 99 & 01 Cobra-----can be tremendously improved upon. I wish I could get 100% on my 35K 01 Cobra purchase-----I've spent close to $21K on aftermarket parts for my 01 Cobra------which stock wise is a complete piece of crap as far as I'm concerned. I say that sternly-----when I see what the 03 comes with-----All i need now is to rebuild my rearend---and my Cobra----will proudly hold its head up high. Thats funny that you owned a 99 Cobra----what are your impresions of that car-----I doubt that they are slightly more positive than mine lol-----Hey Ls1----tell me the gap between the wheel well and the tires---wasn't absolutely rediculous on the 99 & 01 lol---when I first saw my car in person last year upon delivery-----I frinkin cringed Off the record---I think SVT is a little overrated-----I'm proud of what Ford Racing and Kenny Brown have done for the true Cobra lovers-----but SVT is just for promo---I would love to see though----just for 1 year----an SVT cobra------fully tuned on the supercharger-----with the ultimate Kenny Brown equipment----just to see what kind of numbers the car mags would find on their road test--------It will never happen-----but here's to dreaming. Oh and by the way-----If I had the money-----its a no brainer-----I too would be cruisin around in that SL55 AMG-----even I have to admit---that its damn sexy
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[robslob]

your Z28 stock numbers sure are impressive
My stock Cobra posted 277rwhp & 279rwt
Pretty sad-----I wish Ford would use the FR500 heads on the Cobras---they are really free flowing-----and I'm sure you've heard-----the Mach 1 coming in at 320hp-----talk about slapping the 99 & 01 owners right in the face-----thank God for Pro Charger & Vortech----good talkin to ya bro

[LSs1Power]

Believe me u dont want to hear about my experince with the 99 Cobra. Lets just say i drove it 5 months from 14months.

[weedkiller]

One night after drinking load of beer down in si nyc on the abandent highway were lots of kids chill i got to witness an m3 drivin by a kid i know race an old man(who looked about 40 or so) in transam ram-air model looked to be about 1998-2000.

I was thinking to myself this guy gonna smoke this kid, but in the end the m3 won hands down, slapped up the trans am. I couldent belive it from that day on i was [H]ard m3 fan.

I will never forget the guys face after it was over he couldent believe it.

[crayzayjay]

Do not underestimate the power of M

[AC Schnitzer M3]

well as far as the S4 goes against the E46 M3, it would be no test, maybe when the V8 one comes out, but for now, no. Me and my dad took down a local one in his fairly highlly modify E36 M3, but its only got about 300 to 310hp (my dads car) vs. the S4. I thought the S4 woulda smoked us, but no, it got pretty nasty after 2nd, we really started to pull. At first i thought it was an A4 (it was debadged so wasn';t sure from rear) but then my bro told me it was an S. So as far as the S4 vs. the new E46 , it would no near be a good race between the two. The biggest competitor for the M3 is the Z06 vette, which both of these cars are very close in both areas. My dads friend that owns a 2001 E46 SMG M3 went to the chevrolet dealership to test the Z06, he took it out, and said it wasn't as the magazines had made it seem, he said the handling was much much better for the M3. He told the guy that that let him test drive it, he didn't believe him, so he let him take his M3 for a spin, the guys final decision was that the M3 did in fact handle better. Don't get me wrong the Z06 is a pretty sweet car, the best handling yet. Just i'm not to thrilled it took Chevy 50 years to finally get the handling down. Overall the Z06 is the best competitor for the M3.

[robslob]

I don't think it took Chevy 50 years to get the handling down on the vette. I don't think you know car history at all----in fact, the M division has only really become a serious competitor against the vette IN PROBABLY THE LAST 7-8 years. The M3 is a great car---but every car magazine test drive---has shown performance numbers that exceed those of the M3--are they all wrong----highly unlikely---especially when you consider the consistency. The Z06 had ripped off a 3.9 0-60 with one magazine. That isn't happening with an M3---even with the most experienced driver. The 03 Cobra is faster than a M3 with a few inexpensive mods---it pratically whips it after the mods. The m3 is still chasing the Z06----it needs a power boost---and it probably will get it soon.

[crayzayjay]

The m3 is still chasing the Z06----it needs a power boost---and it probably will get it soon.

The M3 is very unlikely to get a power boost because its as fast as BMW want it to be. If it did get one, it wouldnt be because of the Z06. The M3 isnt about straight line speed, its about agility through the turns, which the Z06 unfortunately cant match. What the M3CSL will do to the Z06 around a track is scary to think about, absolute carnage. Overall, the M3 isnt about numbers. Numbers dont say a lot about a car's character and true dynamic ability.

And im also gonna have to agree with AC Schnitzer M3, it did take Chevrolet a hell of a long time to tame the handling on the Corvette. Until the most recent 'vette, the handling was nothing to write home about, but admittedly many steps forward have been made. Nothing to touch 911's and M3's though.

cheers,
jay

[crayzayjay]

the M division has only really become a serious competitor against the vette IN PROBABLY THE LAST 7-8 years

I almost forgot. Whereas in horsepower terms this is true (at least in the US, where you got the much less powerful 240bhp M3), The first M3 (E30, arguably the finest M) could have taught Chevy a thing or two about handling and balance in a car. Just because it was down on power it doesnt mean it shouldnt be taken into account. In my eyes, the E30 M3 was a far superior car to any Corvette of its time and for several years to come.

[Pennzoil GT-R]

European and Japanese perforamce cars are about far more than drag times. Generally speaking, they will never be able to go quicker than an American V8 on a drag strip because they are not designed for it. However you put them on a track together and the big American V8 car will be left for dead.


Re: SL55 AMG.......just thought id add a little to this seeing as these are one of my main areas of expertise. The SL55 was put on a test track against a Caterham R300. The SL very nearly beat it. I think that says everything about this car.

[robslob]

your remark about the M3 CSL------has asolutely no merit whatsoever---please take it off the board---because you are being foolish. A Z06 can't run with an M3 handling wise???? Are u kidding me------the Z06 was just pitted against the 03 Viper------and boy did it ever make the Viper sweat. The M3 CSL is a good car------BUT PLEASE------don't dare say it outhandles a Z06-----because thats about the stupidest thing I've read on the posts------consider it has posted better slalom numbers than any M3---you should read up a little on the tests that the Z06 has been run on------you my friend----are pulling shit out of your ass.

[hrecab02]

unbelivable, these people come into a bmw section and start talkin about their pos american cars. first off, u have no right comin in here and talkin about m3's like uve driven them. (ohh yea, i forgot u took one by 3 cars... ) other than ur bs stories, i can prove to you that m3's can outhandle zo6's in the mountains. ive driven both cars, friends gotta 02, and yea, it might have more torque, and is a good half a sec faster on the 1/4, but dont even say it can outhandle. go spread ur stories on the american forums..cuz we, i kno i dont, dont wanna hear it!!
If your american POS cars had a life span of more than 5 years, you wouldnt have to rely on torque of 400+ ci engines, and didnt have to use fiberglass to make ur cars half the weight of normal cars and also half as safe as bikes ... and u could enjoy the luxury, styling, and class of a BMW.

[myBOVownsU]

Yes!! Everybody!!! Please read the stats on the Z06, with their amazing slalom times! I would encourage you to read the "tests that the Z06 has been run on". You should read the stats in R&T where the $18,000 Mini Cooper(product of BMW) has a better slalom time than the $49,505 Z06 and the same as the $67,900 Porsche Carrera. WOW! It seems like the Mini Cooper slaloms better than the McLaren F1 and the Lamborghini Diablo and Murcielago. Considering these tests and stat times, I guess everybody should just give up their dreams and hopes of buying nice expensive sports cars such as Porsches, BMWs, Lamborghinis, Ferraris and just stick to the Mini and the Z06 since they have better 'stats'.
Actaully, I would take the Mini over the Z06, since it has seating for 4, and its stereo system is different than the ones found in the Chevy Suburban, it handles better because of its better slalom time, for its size it's much safer than a car that has to be made out of fiberglass to reduce its weight. When you take all these facts into consideration, it seems as if the M3 would also be an option over the Z06. Seating for 4, luxury, style, and it's in the same class as the Z06 while having an I-6 and 333hp. So basically, BMW doesn't have to brag and boast about a V8 400+hp car to be put in a higher class of cars.

but I as ford owner and Cobra owner/lover------will say-----that our aftermarket allows us to build a car that can eat you up------and out handle you

Surprising that only Ford has this amazing aftermarket scene. Speaking of aftermarket, I know that the Subaru WRX with about $10,000 in mods can "eat up and out handle" any Z06/Cobra, while still being in a lower price range, while still being able to handle 'unsafe' road conditions. By spending about $25k on a WRX you'll have monster that no Z06/Cobra/Focus/Taurus/Impala or whatever other american car you want to throw at it can touch, in both straight races and on a track, while being a 4 cylinder AWD car. My point isn't to illustrate the superior powers of the WRX, but to show that your idea of throwing mods and comparing a car based on the extent it can be modified makes no sense. If you want to talk about modding a car, I can easily show you, as I just did how a H4 can devour any of your V8s and such. But even with $100k invested in any of these cars, it still won't match what you get when you buy an M3.

When comparing cars, the M3 has it all, and the Z06 barely has it. A car strictly built on performance and its aftermarket products do seem appealing. But most people like to be able to drive around in more than performance, and they also like to feel comfortable in their cars while enjoying their ride and not having to worry about the maintenance of their cars every year. Oh...and FYI, putting money and mods aside, it's pretty amazing to discover what the M3 is capable of when BMW does put a V8 in there.

[robslob]

you can't compare the wrx & mini cooper----to the Z06----you know why shit head----they are practically fucken hatchbacks-----not even weighing close to 3,000 lbs. You guys want to shoot down the Z06---but you don't no shit about cars. In fact----to show your stupidity---In my next post----I am going straight to the evidence sheets so you can see how car experts laugh at your own rediculous posts. To car a hatchback----with less weight, smaller size, and in some cases, better HP to weight ratios----is down right stupid when we are talking about a Z06 vs. an M3. And who ever made this bull shit call about the 25K on a WRX----an 03 Cobra with just $800 in mods-----gets it to its maximum PSI at 15psi---and makes over 500rwhp nad 500rwt---don't be such a magazine racer----the cobra doesn't need $25K in mods-----to beat up on practically any car under $100K------that including the Z06------what you never heard of Kenny Brown Cobras--------modded for $10K or less------than can piss on any V-8 out there -------the M3 is not a better performing car than the M3------and my next post won't include my opinion bullshit----llike you have posted--it will be fact. LASTLY, I CAN GO ON ANY THREAD---YOU FUCKEN LEFT WING COMMIE BASTARD------ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DECIDE WHO CAN POST OR NOT POST-----GO FUCKYOURSELF YOU RETARD----YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT CARS-----AND YOU'VE PROVED IT BY THE BULLSHIT YOU POSTED------YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE FUCKIN BABY-----WITH YOUR MINI COOPER BULLSHIT------WHAT THE FUCK IS A MINI COOPER?????? HUH------YOU TALK ABOUT THAT TIN CAN LIKE IT HAS SUPERCAR STATUS OR SOMETHING-----JERKOFF!

[weedkiller]

The question what most of you have to ask yourselfs is do i want a chevy? or do i want a bimmmmer? and who ever picks the chevy is a retard.