smog pump super charger?

[biv343]

Originally Posted by cbec1999

Nice definitions! I can tell you got them right out of memory

And your definitions look an awful lot like information that was in the links in my reply to a message of yours in the Bravada forum.

There are a few things in life I've learned, although I have never given (nor had the desire to give) a doctoral dissertation. The most important thing is that it's not always necessary to know how or why something works, but just to be grateful that it does. Antifreeze is one of those things - I dump it in the radiator, add water, and presto. It works. Three or so years later, repeat above process. Don't drink it, don't put it in Fluffys water bowl, and the world is a good place to be.

Can't we go back to discussing bottle rockets, 5 gallon buckets for seats and electric radiator fan turbochargers?

[blazee]

Originally Posted by cbec1999

Nice definitions! I can tell you got them right out of memory

Nice facts in your post! I can tell you got them right out of your ass

[blazee]

Originally Posted by biv343

And your definitions look an awful lot like information that was in the links in my reply to a message of yours in the Bravada forum.

There are a few things in life I've learned, although I have never given (nor had the desire to give) a doctoral dissertation. The most important thing is that it's not always necessary to know how or why something works, but just to be grateful that it does. Antifreeze is one of those things - I dump it in the radiator, add water, and presto. It works. Three or so years later, repeat above process. Don't drink it, don't put it in Fluffys water bowl, and the world is a good place to be.

Can't we go back to discussing bottle rockets, 5 gallon buckets for seats and electric radiator fan turbochargers?

[blazee]

Originally Posted by metallica21156

can anybody tell me how to get the mixture right?

Sorry about all the derails. Let's see if we can get this thread back on track. You're talking about the water mix...right? I got this info from: http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/waterinjection.html

1. Maximum Torque occurs at a 13.2:1 Air Fuel Ratio.
2. Transitional Fueling and Maximum Boost Air Fuel Ratios are about 12.5:1.
3. Water Injection is most efficient with a 50/50 water alcohol mixture.
4. Methanol, as an additive, is not a practical choice as it is prone to pre-ignition, is not safe to handle and is not readily available.
5. Denatured (ethanol) alcohol, typically 95%, is cheap and is available in paint, hardware, and Home Depot type stores in gallon containers for about $10.00. Isopropyl alcohol can be used but it is often 30% or more water by content.
6. Water Injection allows ignition timing to be more aggressive or closer to stock. In other words boost does not automatically mean retard your timing.
7. Excessive amounts of ignition retard will cause a loss of power and overheating.
8. Water to Fuel ratios should be based on weight and not volume.
9 . Water weighs 8.33 lb per gallon.
10. Alcohol weighs 6.63 lb per gallon.
11. Air weighs .080645 lb per cubic foot. It takes about 150 cubic feet of air per 100 horsepower. It takes about 12 lb of air per 100 horsepower.
12. Water or Water / Alcohol to Fuel Ratios are between 12.5% to 25%. This means Air to Fluid Ratios are between 11.1:1 and 10.0:1 with water injection.
13. Maximum water delivery should be in higher load low to mid rpm ranges tapering somewhat at peak rpms where load is less.
14. Atomization of the water mixture is directly related to it effectiveness. Finer droplets cool the inlet charge better and with less mass they navigate the inlet plenum easier for more equal water distribution.
15. Don’t flow water through an intercooler.
16. Atomized water, just like fuel , does not like to make turns thus making accurate distribution something to think about. This is why port fuel injection is the norm. Water is a fluid just like your fuel. Multiple nozzes, equally spaced in the plenum, although it complicates things, is a superior design.
17. The introduction of water will allow higher boost pressures to be run without detonation. Higher pressures will increase torque. It’s always about torque.
18. Racing high octane gasoline should be used for all forms of competition and for higher than normal boost levels. Water injection as well as charge cooling should be used with racing gas. 91/92 Octane pump gas simply will not cut it.
19. Fuel Injectors operate in the 1 Millisecond range and are not capable of long term usage for H20 as they will corrode or rust shut in a very short period of time. Unless a solenoid can open as fast as a fuel injector it should not be used to "pulse" water injection events.
20. Varying voltage to water injection pumps or using similar schemes is a recipe for disaster. You have to eliminate the variables, not increase them.
21. Fuel Injection pumps cannot be used for water injection. Water is conductive. Gasoline is not. Water will corrode an efi pump shut in a very short period of time.
22. Water injection has a cooling effect on the engine head, valves, and cylinder. Exhaust temperatures (EGT) are largely unaffected at recommended water / fuel ratios.
23. The cooling of potential hot spots in the combustion chamber defeats pre-ignition, the most destructive form of uncontrolled or unplanned combustion.
24. Higher static compression ratios will require a higher percentage of water or water / alcohol.
25. No, water does not burn. We are not combusting the hydrogen in the H2O.
26. At around 13.2:1 or fuel air ratios of .75, EGT’s will peak.
27. Ferrari suspended water in their fuel during their 1980’s Formula1 period. We don’t recommend that you try this...although Acetone will mix with water.

This site is outdated, but it has some ratio info, too. http://www.motherearthnews.com/libra...ction_Wizardry

[metallica21156]

thank you for getting back on track. i'll have to get the parts and let you know how it goes. i'm guessing i can just tap into the vac tube on the back of the intake. i'm already running syn oil so it shouldn't be a problem.

[buckeyboy]

Originally Posted by cbec1999

You can't say it won't work unless you've tried.

The only part that seems hard to figure is the part about 2 pumps. Seems to me there's no room for extra components, but with an oversize pulley, you're gonna get more air flow from the pump.

I havent tried it and I can tell you it won't work you will not have enough volume of air. and how are you going to drivr these pumps you most likely will lose hp not gain, hey dude try it if you want your time.

[metallica21156]

hooked it up and gas mileage went from 14 city to 16-17 city. don't know what highway would be but i was getting 25 mpg highway.

[Raijek]

Originally Posted by cbec1999

Antifreeze = ethylene glycol!
Ethylene = ethane with carbon/carbon double bond, hence suffix '-ene'
ethylene, methylene, propylene, etc., etc.
Glycol = Glycogen (glucose, as in sugar), derivative, with a hydroxide ion, making an alcoh-ol/sugar - 'glyc - ol'.

I know you don't know organic chemistry. But I'm sure you know chilton's, and hayne's. I'm takin' for granted you know how to read, and if you've noticed, they both say don't allow antifreeze to puddle where dogs and cats can be drawn to the sweet smell.
And as far as the kidney stones from inhalin' antifreeze? Tell some soldiers who've driven hummers with leakin' coolant that you don't get kidney stones from it.
I have to keep reminding myself... It's better to have to put up with ignorance, that to be ignorant (I think).

Of course, maybe I'd better humble myself a little... My doctoral dissertation WAS rejected (on a technicality).

Just wanted to add:

The reason they say NOT to allow animals and suggest that humans do not drink it is because when the ethylene glycol reaches the kidneys, they start to break it down into ketones and further reacting to produce aldehydes. They only way to save someones life that has consumed an apprecialble amount of Et glycol is to administer near toxic amounts of ethanol. The reason this helps is because the ethanol in higher relative abundance to the Et glycol will be broken down instead, allowing it to leave the body in the urine before being turned into aldehydes.