Auto-RX Desludging a 4.3L

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by chris15706

Give BlazerLT a break! Hes supposed to be a smart ass every once in a while. Hes from Canada. lol. I am a help desk tech and i deal with 350 people every day. I have learned to be patient with people even when they sound like they're being a smart ass. Not everyone lives the same way or has the same ideas and personalities. Take the good advice that BlazerLT gives most of the time. Not everyone is perfect. But seriously this forum is very useful and threads like this help out alot. I like to see the outcome with threads like this so i can remember in the future when my vehicle has high miles on it. Im glad BlazerLT is useing his vehicle for the guine pig. Sounds like its working good so far.

It is working.

And thank you for noticing that I am testing this for you guys as well.

[DINO55]

Hi Guy's
I had to reply on this one.
My first post, I have read over a thousand threads in this forum since January 2005, I feel like I know alot of you guy's out there, I have taken (you guy's) advice on so many things for my 1998 Blazer, It's great to see so many of you knock heads together and help out so many people find and fix their vehicle's, There are many stand up people in this forum that all deserve some recognition, one of them is BLAZER LT. Dude, my hat's off to you for a job well done on all the post and reply's you do. You don't know how many people you've helped out along the way (I'm one of them) in the 7000 post's you've done. Your research into this product has been nothing short of awsome, I'm looking forward to seeing the filter and the final results. Thanks to all you guy's for some great reading.

DINO55
1998 Blazer 4x2
Burbank, Illinois...

NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL, PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO'S WHO...

[Turbocpe]

So posts that support BlazerLT are OK, but any post that questions anything from BlazerLT, is not? Very reveling and interesting. I thought we all were grown up here. We're told not to take one's opinion as the gospel (the GM engineer for example), but we supposed to do so here?

I don't have a problem with the product or the testing.

As far as this product, I'm not sure I understand. Doesn't sludge turns into clumps, which will be scattered throughout the engine? Due to oil pump screens and filters, you'll never get that stuff completely out. So I'm not sure I understand? I would think the best thing would be to regularly change your oil (isn't that a common cause of sludge?) and change your driving habits. BlazerLT, didn't you say the 3000 mile oil change is a gimick? Perhaps that is part of your sludge issue?

Again, I don't have a problem with the product testing. I do have a problem when someone asks legitimate human questions, and people break out the attitude and get defensive. It's not right to expect people to not question one's opinion or advise just because you say so. It's also not to only allow positive posts, while you threaten action to anyone who may not agree, or may question advise from certain people. It seems extremely one sided and closed minded. Aren't we here to learn and help?

BlazerLT, that is great that you are helping out and providing this for people to see. However, don't threaten action just because some question or disagree with you. That makes you look bad, and you're not being fair to the people here. People are allowed to have their own opinion and provide feedback and question what is provided. You can't ask people not to question or disagree with you. It doesn't work that way.

Thanks.

[BlazerLT]

Thanks to all for noticing my unselfish documentation of this process. I really appreciate it. I am only trying to help.

To all waiting for the results, I will post complete photos of the filter and if the filter material has any sludge in it.

Just remember, this cleaning cycle is only 1500 miles, then after that I will have to undergo a rinse cycle with ordinary conventional oil for 3000 miles.

The rinse phase is supposed to really darken the oil quickly but I will leave that up to the upcoming photos as I progress through it.

There is no way that my oil should be dark at 1500miles. My engine as tested today if running efficiently and here is the thread with proof.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=397962

Hydrocarbons are exceptionally low which is one of the contributing factors to oil getting dirty.

[DINO55]

Originally Posted by Turbocpe

So posts that support BlazerLT are OK, but any post that questions anything from BlazerLT, is not? Very reveling and interesting. I thought we all were grown up here. We're told not to take one's opinion as the gospel (the GM engineer for example), but we supposed to do so here?

I don't have a problem with the product or the testing.

As far as this product, I'm not sure I understand. Doesn't sludge turns into clumps, which will be scattered throughout the engine? Due to oil pump screens and filters, you'll never get that stuff completely out. So I'm not sure I understand? I would think the best thing would be to regularly change your oil (isn't that a common cause of sludge?) and change your driving habits. BlazerLT, didn't you say the 3000 mile oil change is a gimick? Perhaps that is part of your sludge issue?

Again, I don't have a problem with the product testing. I do have a problem when someone asks legitimate human questions, and people break out the attitude and get defensive. It's not right to expect people to not question one's opinion or advise just because you say so. It's also not to only allow positive posts, while you threaten action to anyone who may not agree, or may question advise from certain people. It seems extremely one sided and closed minded. Aren't we here to learn and help?

BlazerLT, that is great that you are helping out and providing this for people to see. However, don't threaten action just because some question or disagree with you. That makes you look bad, and you're not being fair to the people here. People are allowed to have their own opinion and provide feedback and question what is provided. You can't ask people not to question or disagree with you. It doesn't work that way.

Thanks.

I don't just support Blazer LT, If you read my post correctly, you would have seen the part's that said.

" I have taken (you guy's) advice on so many things for my 1998 Blazer,"

"There are many stand up people in this forum that all deserve some recognition"
I don't just support Blazer LT, I support all of you guy's.
Blazer LT just happens to be one of many, In answer to your question, Sludge does not turn into clumps and scatter through an engine, Over time, and extreme heat, it builds up on almost everything inside your engine. Some Oil's will keep it cleaner better then others, but ALL oils will leave deposit's behind, Now here's a guy that's doing his own research, photographing it, and updating his results for all of us to gain some insight, and were questioning his integrity because some Engineer from GM say's it's snake oil HA HA HA, who the hell is this guy anyway, I have heard about "Seafoam" many times on this fourm, never seen any pictures, just words, and I myself am not too sure about a product that SHOULD NOT be run in an engine longer then 500 miles, will I use it even though some people swear up and down by it, Nope, That's my Opinion. Will I run out and get Auto-RX, Not sure yet. the jury is still out on it.
I thought this whole fourm thing was about letting all of us know what works in and on our trucks, am I wrong for thinking like this

[blazes9395]

Originally Posted by Turbocpe

So posts that support BlazerLT are OK, but any post that questions anything from BlazerLT, is not? Very reveling and interesting. I thought we all were grown up here. We're told not to take one's opinion as the gospel (the GM engineer for example), but we supposed to do so here?

I am not siding here at all, but I do agree with this statement. These forums are here for sharing information, they are here to agree with each other and to disagree with each other - thats how we each learn, and then make our own decisions. Personally I have been watching this post about the use of this Auto Rx stuff. It sounds like GM Oil Supplement to me....or something along those lines. It does, or claims to do everything the supplement does. I know the Gm oil supplement works because I have used it. The best part of all is that I can go to my dealship down the road pick it up for $6.50CAN and I trust it more because its endorsed by GM themselves. Does anybody know what are the active ingredients in this Auto-Rx stuff?

[lou S.]

Good luck with the testing LT. I'll have to try and get a hold of some of that stuff and run it through the testing here at work and report my findings.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

137000 miles



People make mistakes. It has around 220,000kms on it. But realistically, that really doesn't matter. In haste, I made some small mistkes with the conversion.

That is understandable, your previous post in January that was near 137,000, was posted in kms when I converted it....it came to little less than 137,000, which is right in line with what you are saying now. The others were posted in miles, so they could have easily been mistakes.

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

Because my fuel consumption is suffering due to the cold temperatures in the winter.

Both mileages were said to be winter highway miles.

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

Because I have training in both. I have undergone training and certification for fluid power systems and I own a computer hardware website. www.tweaknews.net

I also have a two college diplomas and a degree in geology.

Again, this has no bearing on this, I have a lot of education. Sorry about that.

I checked the records and that is indeed your website, but the "Fluid power engineer" was the one in question. (only because of the way it was brought to everyone's attention) Your education doesn't have any bearing on this, no one is questioning your intelligence.

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

You calling me a liar?, because the questions you are posing is sure as hell giving me that impression. For christ sakes, as a moderator, do you think all the help I have given is from a LIAR?

I am simply asking questions about some of your previous posts, if it sounds like I am calling you dishonest...then that must mean that you agree that these would sound suspicious to people who don't know you.

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

What the hell do I have to gain from this? Am I selling it? Am I "profiting" from this? Do I have one single interest in this other than being an automotive enthusiest?

One word.....NO

I am doing this to show everyone that there is a engine cleaner alternative out there and I am being nice enough to test and show you the results WITH NO COST TO YOU.

I am a little INSULTED that you are posing these questions as some sort of way to show that I am being dishonest or something.

I'm pissed off, if you guys are not interested, I might as well delete this thread.

Just give me the word.

Please don't delete this thread, myself as well as many others are very interested in your results. We do really appreciate you taking the time to document everything. My only concern was, that after the turn that this thread has taken, the results may not be represented accurately. In the past it would seem that some of your facts change to fit the situation. It has been mentioned in this thread that you believe your intelligence has been questioned for attempting to use auto-rx. I for one do not think that you are an idiot for doing this, I appreciate it greatly. Even if the results are bad, I would still want to know and would not question your intelligence for trying it. I can tell that you are very proud and do not like to be wrong, (nobody does) just know that this test is to show the results that you achieve using auto-rx and has nothing to do with you being right or wrong. If you don't get positive results, it doesn't mean that you were wrong for trying it, it means that the product doesn't work and you have saved us all some money.

I am not trying to start an argument or anything. I will consider everything dropped after this. I was just addressing some concerns that I had.
And I repeat: please don't delete this thread, there are a lot of people wanting to know the results.

[Turbocpe]

Originally Posted by DINO55

Sludge does not turn into clumps and scatter through an engine, Over time, and extreme heat, it builds up on almost everything inside your engine. Some Oil's will keep it cleaner better then others, but ALL oils will leave deposit's behind

The reason why I ask is, because I have a 350 that had not been taken care of well by the previous owner. It is a fact that oil changes weren't done reguarly. When I removed the intake manifold for a intake gasket change, there was oil sludge clumps all over the block and around the pushrods. This engine also has lower than normal oil pressure.

This is not the first time that I've seen "clumps" inside an engine (that weren't my own engine), with questionable service history.

I didn't mean that the "clumps" would scatter throughout the engine as in it is pushed in circulation, I meant as in formed throughout the engine, due to lack of oil changes, etc.

However, I have 2 (actually 3 now that I think about it) engines that are almost at 200K miles, and they have no oil sludge or clumps, and the engines had been properly maintained.

That's why I didn't think oil sludge is normal, unless there is lack of oil changes, or perhaps driving habits that contribute to it.

But my other point is, how will you ever get that stuff out of the engine, that can be inside the oil pump screen, galleries, etc.? I don't see how you can.

[BlazerLT]

The Auto-RX puts it into suspension and allows it to travel to the oil filter where it is filtered out.

Clumps will eventually dissolve and also be transported.

This is what you should expect after the cleaning. Mind you, not as bad as this guys car, it was sludged bad.

[DINO55]

Geez, That thing looks nasty, I can't wait to see the results of the rinse cycle. I use mobil 1 in my blazer and at the 1500 mile mark the oil is still gold on the dip stick. It will be intresting to see your end result Blazer LT. Thank's for the update...

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by TonyMazz

BlazerLT I sure hope your's is not that dirty !!! That looks like coffee grounds....bet yours will be alot cleaner.....

I certainly hope so.

[silverblazer]

This thread has got my mind going. I was never into the whole cleaner stuff but I did try this stuff called SEA FOAM. After a couple of hundread miles I changed the oil in my truck after using it and the slude pluged the pan drain and the filter was full. I dont think I wanna use it on my blazer but i might. This Auto RX sounds like a good deal too.If anybody has any input on that SEA FOAM let me know.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by silverblazer

This thread has got my mind going. I was never into the whole cleaner stuff but I did try this stuff called SEA FOAM. After a couple of hundread miles I changed the oil in my truck after using it and the slude pluged the pan drain and the filter was full. I dont think I wanna use it on my blazer but i might. This Auto RX sounds like a good deal too.If anybody has any input on that SEA FOAM let me know.

Seafoam is MUCH more harsh and you are only supposed to drive an engine for 500 miles MAX with it in the crankcase.

It is a strong solvent.

[wolfox]

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, and they all stink. You have to use your heads and experience to pull together a solution that works for you, in your situation. The stuff that GM tech went off on sounds great in the lab. Can most likely be tested in an independant lab and found to be true...

But use your head for something other than a hat rack for a moment and think...

That GM tech's answers were all based on LABORATORY TESTS in a clean, closed environment. Now, how many of us drive in a laboratory day in and day out? Raise your hands...I'll wait for the count to come in...

That's right. NONE OF US. You want good hard facts about GM engines, oiling and maintenance? Talk to your local mechanic buddy. GM's going to hand you information and facts that though may be 100% true, will be skewed just ever so slightly. And do you know why? They have a vested interest in selling you a vehicle every 5~10 years, right after the warranty peters out. That being said:

There is NEVER going to be a perfect, one-shot cure all additive or regimen of chemicals and oils. But again, using your head you can figure out the tricks to keep things clean, quiet and efficient. One of these measures is to just read your damn manual and swap fluids when it says to. Every once in a while, like every two years - flush the engine and cooling system despite what the manual says. And by performing regular maintenance by yourself, you can tell when the little problems are just starting before they become big ones.

BlazerLT, I appreciate the documentation and your willingness to put up with this bullshit. I know that if I was in your position and *posting* the things that you are doing, and some other similar experiences and advice, my ass would be in the sling right next to yours. Oh, expect photos of my ghetto '95 VIN "W" CPI cold air intake this weekend. Hopefully work and weather will hold up a bit better. Keep fighting the good fight gentlemen.