Ls-1 to all ford motors, which one????

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by black84z28

well i guess alot of engine dyno tests are wrong...when i say a ls1 dynos 400hp its at the crank..."reading comprehension"...if i was talking about the car i would mention a 98-02 car and rwhp...right?...pick up a super chevy or chevy high performance where these motors were dynoed...its publisized..

http://www.airflowresearch.com/dyno/ls1_030804.htm

here is a STOCK ls1 dynoing 428hp with a set of long tubes...

Stock LS1? haha more BS. this is from the top of that chart.
Baseline Engine: Stock LS-1 Longblock, LS-6 Intake Manifold, 1 3/4"
Headers-Long Tube Style, 3" Flowmaster Mufflers. *
VS
All Same As Above WithThe Exception Of: AFR LS-1 "205" CNC Heads, Fast
Intake Manifold, Cam-224/228 @.050 .581 Lift, 78mm Ported Throttle Body.

Originally Posted by black84z28

the fastest ls1 car with "only a cam" change is a class of cars racing...the only thing that was internally done to the car and it ran a 10.93..other things could be done...dont be so stupid..too bad a kid in juniour high has to set out and explain it to you...look for a hotrod article a few months back...its has the nations fastest ls1 cars..

looky here....[url[http://www.ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm[/url]

look at number 39?...whats this?....is that a 10.88@127 with just exhaust/convertor programming and nitrous?...looks to me likes that not even alot of nitrous!....no cam or heads were mentioned...good for a junior high kid?...

holy shit...look at 38!!!...he has a 10.88 also!...nothing major was done!....number 33?....ouch...even faster!...and these cars didn't even have a cam change!..so who is wrong?...oh yea...the fastest known stock zo6 ran a [email protected] some more research
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/archiv...x.php/t-162655

#39 175hp shot, 364cu. so is it still internally stock or not? Maybe it's just a typo? But you can't answer it cause it's just a list on the internet!!!

#38 NX nitrous(unspecified amount) he could have 300HP shot going into the dam thing. Do you know the answer? No again this is just a list that anybody could throw themselves on.

So great you found a vague list which you can't prove or disprove.

Wow great research you did... those times are for the Z06 on M/T slicks

My Personal Bests in 2002 Z06

Z06 with Airbox lid off and Et Streets 1-24-2003:

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30089

60' - 1.675
330 - 4.822
1/8 - 7.442
mph - 94.62
1000 - 9.692
1/4 - 11.596
mph - 118.53

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by black84z28

when something says stock bottom end and stock heads...what does that mean?...new thousand of dollars stuffed in the block isn't stock


so you mean that STOCK 281 uses shm parts?...that bottom end is NOT stock!

http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/



John Mehovitz - Fastest 4.6 Modular Engine In The World
6.77@209mph - NHRA Record Holder - Winners use SHM 4.6 Power
John, Mehovitz, the world's fastest 4.6 drag car makes more than 1700hp from only 281 cubic inches! John has relied on SHM engines using exclusive SHM products like our dual valve spring kit, billet camshafts and 300M connecting rods to product the incredible power that he makes, reliably. John has consistently been the worlds fastest 4.6 for over 7 years running - relying on SHM 4.6 Power all the way.

Stock bottom end could actually mean a lot of things and you know it. Just like saying stock heads means he could of used stock casting and worked them over till nothing more was left to do. Go find ever specific about that car and show us cause the video proves nothing about the car othjer than that it is very fast.


Where did I ever claim or say that Mehovitz car is a stock bottom end? I said it was a Sean hyland built powerplant becuase you said Hyland stroked Mod motor cause the need more cubes to get power out of them. Well here they are wit the stock 281cu making that HP don't look like they need a stroker there....

[black84z28]

little do you know the 01-2 cars came stock with ls6 intake...bs?...when they dyno engines they usually use headers and exhaust for a reason...now dont they?...notice i mentioned with a set of long tubes?...how many engine dyno people you know of dont run headers on their engine dynoes?...



funny how when proved wrong you shoot down info provided...how many 03 cobras have run past that 12.0 mark STOCK?...slicks does not mean the car is not stock...STOCK= no engine modding

[black84z28]

Originally Posted by GTStang

Stock bottom end could actually mean a lot of things and you know it. Just like saying stock heads means he could of used stock casting and worked them over till nothing more was left to do. Go find ever specific about that car and show us cause the video proves nothing about the car othjer than that it is very fast.


Where did I ever claim or say that Mehovitz car is a stock bottom end? I said it was a Sean hyland built powerplant becuase you said Hyland stroked Mod motor cause the need more cubes to get power out of them. Well here they are wit the stock 281cu making that HP don't look like they need a stroker there....

stock bottom end means just that...nothing done...if so it would be a modded bottom end...right?...you said yourself in a post it was a STOCK 281..nothing was modded?.....no stock 281 is gonna take the boost needed to propel that car to a 209mph trap...the car kept a 281 cu inch motor but it was far from stock...the rods in the non 03-04 cobra 4v suck...they will not take the abuse a turbo will dish out

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by black84z28

stock bottom end means just that...nothing done...if so it would be a modded bottom end...right?...you said yourself in a post it was a STOCK 281..nothing was modded?.....no stock 281 is gonna take the boost needed to propel that car to a 209mph trap...the car kept a 281 cu inch motor but it was far from stock...the rods in the non 03-04 cobra 4v suck...they will not take the abuse a turbo will dish out

Your right about the first one I was wrong sorry.

But stop trying to tell me what I said, I said stock 281cu., cu=cubic inches. I did not say the stock 281 block, stock 281 internals, or stock 281. I put cu. at the end noting the displacement of the motor and used it for reference about your comment of stroking the 4.6 motor.

Also post the website about that stock bottom end, stock head F-body with exact details on what has been done to it. That will end any arguement about that also.

[black84z28]

Originally Posted by GTStang

Your right about the first one I was wrong sorry.


Also post the website about that stock bottom end, stock head F-body with exact details on what has been done to it. That will end any arguement about that also.

cam only cars

stock motor

fastest na car


site itself...ls1 tech

[syr74]

Originally Posted by black84z28

well i guess alot of engine dyno tests are wrong...when i say a ls1 dynos 400hp its at the crank..."reading comprehension"...if i was talking about the car i would mention a 98-02 car and rwhp...right?...pick up a super chevy or chevy high performance where these motors were dynoed...its publisized..

http://www.airflowresearch.com/dyno/ls1_030804.htm

here is a STOCK ls1 dynoing 428hp with a set of long tubes...

the fastest ls1 car with "only a cam" change is a class of cars racing...the only thing that was internally done to the car and it ran a 10.93..other things could be done...dont be so stupid..too bad a kid in juniour high has to set out and explain it to you...look for a hotrod article a few months back...its has the nations fastest ls1 cars..

looky here....[url[http://www.ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm[/url]

look at number 39?...whats this?....is that a 10.88@127 with just exhaust/convertor programming and nitrous?...looks to me likes that not even alot of nitrous!....no cam or heads were mentioned...good for a junior high kid?...

holy shit...look at 38!!!...he has a 10.88 also!...nothing major was done!....number 33?....ouch...even faster!...and these cars didn't even have a cam change!..so who is wrong?...oh yea...the fastest known stock zo6 ran a [email protected] some more research
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/archiv...x.php/t-162655


yes...the cobra can run in the 10s...its fi!...fi motors respond well to exhaust and other mods because svt corked those cars up from the factory....yea...racing is not fair like how my friends cobra lost on the highway to a firends modded 94 talon...imagine that...a 4banger..

lol...i love the cubic inch argument...ford blah blah...THATS WHY ALL THE BIG GUYS STROKE THOSE MOTORS!...what is a 331?...a stroker with more cu inches..if you wanna go fast beyond bench racing in chat forums...you will notice that the motor is a giant air pump...more air you can stuff in it...the more power it will make!..hence wanting cu inches..i saw something of a twin turbo 655cu inch(?) pontiac motor making over 2800hp....you gonna do that with a 350 pontiac?...no..lin the end its cubic inhes or have a power adder that can make up for the cubic inches and force as much air in that motor as possible....but a 4.6 n/a will not take on a ls1 n/a....whats the fastest 4.6 mod motor n/a?....lol...i can pretty much bet it wont beat the fastest ls1


i mentioned the cobra 4v because ford slapped great parts in in...for a FORCED INDUCTION car you happen to need parts like the manley rods and wiseco pistons thee motors have...they did that car right and if you know anything about the 4.6 rods on the n/a cars...you know those and the crank are not known as the strongest..still pretty funny when a cast piston ls1 can still run a 9.6@138 with a stock bottom end/heads..good reasoning newton?...dumbass


yea...alot of cars can be fast with power adders...point is?...i can show you a vid of a ls1 car running a 7.50...if you have the cash...anything will be a moster at the track..

Oh wow, another list of bs to wade through. Ok, first of all for some reason you are getting confused about rwhp, crank hp, and what not. Z06's do indeed dyno, on a dynojet, at about 355rwhp. And, giving them a 15 percent correction that comes out to about 418hp at the crank. If you have some fantasy that this is incorrect more power to you, but as I have seen this a LOT of times and on more than one dyno I'm going to stick to it....roflmao

An LS1 would not dyno at 400 crank hp stock if God was breathing into it. Corrected I have seen some of the C5 Vette's hit 365 crank hp or so, but no more than that and that is a stout example of that particular LS1. Now, if you want to argue (and you seem to) that GM's drivetrain has some ridiculous amount of parasitic drag and is sub-par be my guest. Although, I doubt there is much to substantiate this amount of pd as that would equate to over 20% parasitic drag on a C5's LS1, not even the f-body, based on typical rwhp dyno numbers! Maybe there is an awd option on the Vette which I missed....

BTW, as for those magical 400hp LS1's you brought it up, so why don't YOU find it? (Good luck, and I am sure we will be waiting a while...and this time try to make sure your info is accurate as you seem to have a problem with this)

As for your stock 428hp LS1, some indeed came down the line with LS6 manifolds and using LS6 blocks (difference in block is really a number)....your point is? However, there are two problems with your "stock" claim. First of all he mentions that he is going through the long tubes which you acknowledge, but what you do not acknowledge is that he is running through what amounts to a true dual 3" exhaust with no cats. And, it does not say anything about the "tune"" of the programming which has obviously received a tweak.

Most people do use long tubes on an engine dyno, that does not make it stock. And, this car has far more adding to the power than that. I got good money betting this guy was running an air horn with a fan too which boosts power numbers as well. He also certainly degreed the cam, blah, blah. All very typical, and none of it stock. If I did the same to an 04 Cobra it would hit 500hp and change, but it's "still stock" right? Ridiculous.

I also got a good laugh out of your "cam only" LS1. There are cars running these times with no "internal mods" other than cams. However, they are all runnig a virtually full-race suspension setup, the cars have been lightened, they have major exahust mods, race-prepped trannys, 4.56 gears in 12-bolts or 9" rears, they run full slicks, they have computer mods the list goes on, and on, and on. It's ridiculius to call these "cam-only" cars. I could stick a 4.6L DOHC with cams in a Triumph Spitfire and runs 10's all day on slicks with a 9 inch and the right gears, but it would be ludicrous to call it otherwise stock with cams .

As for you list of LS1's in the tens. In reference to your comment that 175hp is not a lot of nitrous on #39 there, have you been inhaling nitrous? 175hp is a big-ass shot of gas for a mild car. He mentions converter, programming, nitrous and that he is running slicks and has a STROKED MOTOR! lol Wow, all that and he ran high tens on slicks. Good God I would hope so !

Number 38 is running a prepped suspension, exhaust, programming, a cam and nitrous in an unspecified amount that he admits to. As GT alluded to he could be running a 250hp shot for all we know on full slicks with a forged bottom end! Since he does not mention the slicks that we know he is running anything is possible.

Also, in the link YOU POSTED the guy claims the fastest bone stock Z06 ran an 11.8xx bone stock as the 11.5 had some mods that were admitted to. And, I hate to break it to you, but the guy who claims to have run an 11.8 bone stock is a liar. Sorry.... I can claim I drove an 05 GT to a 12.5 but it would not pass the smell test. Neither does uber-Z06 mans claim. You are like a kid who believes whatever they are told. I have some bad news for you Santa ain't real either.

I have been at the track a lot of times and seen many Vettes run under good conditions with good drivers. Once again, everyone in this forum is going to know that a bone stock 11.8 second Z06 is total bullshit. 12.3's or even 12.2's I would buy. 11.8, no way in hell. This is another of those magical LS1's that exists but you never, ever see at the track. lol

And, I don't get the point about mentioning the modded Eclipse, but if it makes you feel better. I know some guys with imports too. As a matter of fact the crowd I typically run around with usually consists of a few 300ZX's, a couple of Supra's (MkIII and Mk IV), a LS1 Z-28, a Viper (yeah, a Viper.....I don't care for 'em personally) a MR2 (damn fast little sucker too...still looks weird) and a Cobra or two. So, are we comparing friends imports now too?

FYI the fastest 4.6L SOHC 2-valve (NOT DOHC 4-valve) mod-motored car that is n/a is in one of the links I gave you and he ran 10.21 still at 281ci. Damn, wonder what would happen if shoved the 6.0L big-bore stroker under that setup? I am sure another 90ci wouldn't help though....lol I posted that one because he is running the "piece of shit" motor you alluded to. There are much faster n/a cars running more cubes or DOHC's

Also, this cubic inches thing seem to be confusing you. I never said cubes were not good, just that Chevy needs moe to be as fast...get it? Simplified enough for you now? As for the mod motors internals, the rods are the weak link just as rod-bolts are the weak link in big power LS1's. However, unless you force feed the mod motor they can, and regularly do, take a bit over 500hp even with the standard connecting rods and have been made to take more even though that is pushing your luck. As for stock bottom end LS1's they tend to start pushing their luck at about the same hp level.

When push comes to shove you just sound like another kid with no idea what in the hell he is talking about pasting portions of info from websites. Perhaps if you knew what you were talking about you would know why so much of what you say is obvious bullshit to those who have a clue.

Class dismissed.

[syr74]

I would also point out that every claim I have made has been backed by full info regarding mods and state of tune at the time of the run for any Ford I have cited with links to verify that actually contain the info. The LS1's cited in your (black Z28) posts are very vague and often (usually) there is more to the story than you or they initially admit to. Your credibility is dropping fast.

[black84z28]

Originally Posted by syr74

I would also point out that every claim I have made has been backed by full info regarding mods and state of tune at the time of the run for any Ford I have cited with links to verify that actually contain the info. The LS1's cited in your (black Z28) posts are very vague and often (usually) there is more to the story than you or they initially admit to. Your credibility is dropping fast.

yes because its a gm motor ...i post links and you brush them off like any other die hard ford retard...maybe you should go watch some real drag racing instead on bench racing...i am not dissing the ford motor as you are doing the gm motor..a time slip does not lie...nor does a vid.....believe what you want...i posted links and that all i can really do here.....prove my links wrong if you are so uppity about it...this is the problem with the internet...too many KNOW it alls and internet race car builders...



after my 3rd gen is done with the ls1 turbo swap...i sure as hell wont be scared of anything less than a built to shit cobra..this will all be done on 10 inch tires and need to be daily driven...

the point is before you cry baby and go off on your lil hissy fit rampage is that anything can be made fast....just dont forget that you never know what the other has...

lol@ credibility in a forum...

[syr74]

I went to your links, they were often vague and seldom proved anything. What they did tend to prove is that there was more going on than you alluded to. I don't have to prove your links wrong as you have yet to prove the first one valid accroding to your claimed level of mods! It's all just been vague bullshit.

Your posts contain a lot of omissions when you cite power or times, and show a serious lack of knowledge for how power is actually made. That is why you have no credibility.

As for that LS1 you are supposedly building, I have built a couple turbo motors in the past. And currently, I am putting together a mild mod-motor for my 88 Turbo-Coupe. If your posts are an indication of your mechanical knowledge,....good luck putting together the turbo...you will need it.

[black84z28]

Originally Posted by syr74

If your posts are an indication of your mechanical knowledge,....good luck putting together the turbo...you will need it.

wow...you really are one clueless idiot...you can only take information for what its worth on the internet...like you...i could take you as a idiotic 13 yr old kid that drives his mom's minivan when its parked in the driveway...good luck!..


you wanna be like this...its fine and dandy...but i came here for fun and learn things...you may think you know alot but thats where you are sorta ignorant...but hey...its the internet!...you know nothing of my knowledge or my mechanical ability..so be it..but i know its always alot easier to diss someone on the other end of the computer...now is it?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by black84z28

you wanna be like this...its fine and dandy...but i came here for fun and learn things...you may think you know alot but thats where you are sorta ignorant...but hey...its the internet!...you know nothing of my knowledge or my mechanical ability..so be it..but i know its always alot easier to diss someone on the other end of the computer...now is it?

I proved my point. And, I'll call bs wether somebody is on the other side of the country or the other side of the room if some bs needs calling. Your posts give an insight into your knowledge of mechanics. Generally speaking, people who know sound and read like it.

However, if you have anything else to add to the argument you may want to post that, but this is off topic as it has nothing to do with your prior argument. If you feel that you just must vent your inner feelings and nothing else might I suggest pm'ing people?

[black84z28]

Originally Posted by syr74

I proved my point. And, I'll call bs wether somebody is on the other side of the country or the other side of the room if some bs needs calling. Your posts give an insight into your knowledge of mechanics. Generally speaking, people who know sound and read like it.

However, if you have anything else to add to the argument you may want to post that, but this is off topic as it has nothing to do with your prior argument. If you feel that you just must vent your inner feelings and nothing else might I suggest pm'ing people?

why try and convince a retard he is handicapped?...


so until someone else chimes in that has more than what little you ad...i wont reply anymore..because you are just gonna try and cry about everything i post...it makes me laugh...oh..thats no good enough or this...give me a break...you have no pointed out anything concrete yourself.....fucking hypocrite

[syr74]

Originally Posted by black84z28

why try and convince a retard he is handicapped?...


so until someone else chimes in that has more than what little you ad...i wont reply anymore..because you are just gonna try and cry about everything i post...it makes me laugh...oh..thats no good enough or this...give me a break...you have no pointed out anything concrete yourself.....fucking hypocrite

Still nothing to add I see. First it was about cars that ran tens with x mods. But then, t turned out they had more mods than you intitally claimed. Then, it was about mythical 400 crank hp LS1's, but when prodded for proof you gave none.

I posted a link to a 10-second 281ci SOHC mod-motor on a reputable site that has disclosure of why the car goes as fast as it does along with a good list of mods. (which I did not misrepresent as some folks have done) This is but one example of many solid resources I have given. And, I had to refer you back to this link after I posted it initially as you later asked about fast n/a mod motors! Apparently you did not bother to look at the link as the car is on the front page!

Your "solid sources" consist of Chevy forums where some guy nobody has ever heard of says he did something that nobody ever saw and he cannot tell you how he did it. In the cases where there has been info, and there have been a few, it has either shown that mods were far more intensive than you indicated, (Remember that "tiny" 175hp shot of nitrous?...lol.....How about the "cam only" LS1 that has other bolt ons, computer mods, exhaust, slick, and a chassis/tranny setup from hell?) or the listing of mods was just a quick rundown and very incomplete at best. (Remember the guy with that tiny 175 shot of nitrous who you said had no major mods but somehow has over 360ci?....Look at all those ten second guys who are "cam only" but do not want to give a full list of engine mods.)

I suppose the real question is do you have anything accurate/honest to say about these cars?

[Kurtdg19]

Somtimes people seem smarter when they don't talk.

Syr74, don't bother. Where is a Mod? Maybe they are to busy laughing their......(fill in the blank).......

Being a fan of a particular engine is great, but please be aware that there are different taste abroad.