Major Differences and other peoples opinion...

[b-b00gie]

That is in a B14, the radiator mount is a little different than our cars, *however* the distance from the radiator to block and fans to block is the same.

As you can see you have to trim away a small piece of the fans. A better option is get some Flex-a-lite slim fans.. there will be more room in there and better cooling....

[b-b00gie]

Originally posted by G20TurboVisionCrew
B-Boogie
I knew that ball bearing was an option, but what i was wondering was, do you think that it would be necessary, or worth the money getting? i mean the ball bearing is like an extra $G, is that money worth putting down on the ball bearing? I know it spools up quicker, but is a G worth it?

So what does the outside of that g look like?

That wierd way of air supply, i want to go for the more flashy look though, all polished look, but that engine setup is PPPHHHATTTT......
I want mine now!! :cry:

A T3/T4 will run about $800 or 850 (Turbonetics anyhow) for the BB center you'll have to pay another $500 or $600.

I think its definately worth it if you can spring for it. Combine that with some extrude honing and you'll easily lower your lag by 1000~1300rpms...

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by G20TurboVisionCrew
B-Boogie
I knew that ball bearing was an option, but what i was wondering was, do you think that it would be necessary, or worth the money getting? i mean the ball bearing is like an extra $G, is that money worth putting down on the ball bearing? I know it spools up quicker, but is a G worth it?

It's really up to you. If you can afford it go for it. Personally I'd like ot have a ball bearing turbo. I'll also try my hardest to save up for one.

It all comes down to whether you want to afford it or not. What do you think? Sounds to me you might be a little more interested in how the thing looks. So don't get it and save the extra 1k for some nice polished aluminum piping and a dress up kit with braded steal lines and stuff. It also depends on what turbo you want to get. On a T25/28 it might not be as noticable, or necessary, as on a T3/04E with a .82 A/R turbine which will take longer to spool.

But then again you wanted Brian to answer soooo....

[G20TurboVisionCrew]

B-Boogie
Do you happen to have that site for the slim fans? I know that that would be a better option for me, and p11gt too.... Also, i know you've already made me two lists and your probably gettin tired of writing them out for me, but could you possibly give me a final list of what i need in detail to make my 300-320whp, if you want you can e-mail me it??

You've been a great deal of help b-boogie, thanx alot for the help and info mang, i apprea. alot.

B-BOOGIE IS DA BOMB

[ty423]

Ball bearing....optional...If I were you..don't get them...waste of money...if you are into racing and have endless amount of money or worried about boosting 500rpm faster then why not go for the ball bearing....

[v_knot]

Originally posted by G-Forces

Man I feel so unappreciated around here sometimes.

...and of course our gracious AF moderator, soon to be former Torontonian and soon to be Vancouverian , G-FORCES!!!!!!!:frog:

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by v_knot


...and of course our gracious AF moderator, soon to be former Torontonian and soon to be Vancouverian , G-FORCES!!!!!!!:frog:

Oh gee thanks! I'll cook up a hot dog extra special for you when we have that big BBQ!


BTW it's former Vancouverian, turned to Torontonian and back to Vancouverian.

[b-b00gie]

Originally posted by G20TurboVisionCrew
B-Boogie
Do you happen to have that site for the slim fans? I know that that would be a better option for me, and p11gt too.... Also, i know you've already made me two lists and your probably gettin tired of writing them out for me, but could you possibly give me a final list of what i need in detail to make my 300-320whp, if you want you can e-mail me it??

You've been a great deal of help b-boogie, thanx alot for the help and info mang, i apprea. alot.

B-BOOGIE IS DA BOMB

Now, now.. technically I'm still a turbo monkey since I've yet to turbo my car. I have done a *ton* of research though, and I think I've sorted out all the good information from all the mis-information.

I guess I should write up some sort of turbo faq. I'll add it to the to-do list.


Anyhow... the list I posted in the first page will get you where you want to go. The only thing I think is missing is ignition, gauges, fans/radiator if you want to upgrade those too..


You can get the Flex-a-lite Slim fans at www.summitracing.com ...model number is 210. http://store.summitracing.com/produc...earchtype=ecat


BTW.. they are also offered in blue, red, or yellow plastic housing if you're interested.. although Summit only stocks the black ones.

[G20TurboVisionCrew]

Hey Boogie

With that whole set up from that list will i need to lower my compression?
Will a head gasket help, or would i need to get the rods and pistons, or will the stock manage at 9:3:1? -i think thats the comp.-

[akuma810]

G20TurboVisionCrew , after your done, gimme a ride

and b00gie , did u ever figure out the ecu wiring for 2000+ p11s?

[AznVirus]

Originally posted by b-b00gie



I guess I should write up some sort of turbo faq. I'll add it to the to-do list.

if ya dont mind, id like to add anything that you missed... thats IF you missed anything put it in the FAQ section.

[AznVirus]

Originally posted by G20TurboVisionCrew
Hey Boogie

With that whole set up from that list will i need to lower my compression?
Will a head gasket help, or would i need to get the rods and pistons, or will the stock manage at 9:3:1? -i think thats the comp.-

stock DE compression is 9.5:1. you might want to look in to lowering the compression with a head gasket. if you want to rebuild your block then go for lower comp. pistons/rods, but they will hold up fine as long as you dont boost too happily or get a boost spike. water injection will help you prevent detonation as well.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by AznVirus


stock DE compression is 9.5:1. you might want to look in to lowering the compression with a head gasket.

Nahhh, this is a chincy solution. This throws off your cam timing for starters so you need to get some adjustible cam gears and fix that.

9.5:1 compression ratio should be fine if, like Aznvirus said, you do it properly. You can boost about 10psi on a decent turbo/FMIC and up to 13-14psi with water injection on a 9.5:1 stock motor. After that you need to start working on upgrading the ignition.

[v_knot]

Originally posted by AznVirus


stock DE compression is 9.5:1. you might want to look in to lowering the compression with a head gasket. if you want to rebuild your block then go for lower comp. pistons/rods, but they will hold up fine as long as you dont boost too happily or get a boost spike. water injection will help you prevent detonation as well.

People have attempted to lower compression by installing thicker head gasket, but this will only lead to better chance for internal detonation. Not recommended.

[P11GT]

Originally posted by v_knot


People have attempted to lower compression by installing thicker head gasket, but this will only lead to better chance for internal detonation. Not recommended.

I nearly done that, but opted for the GTiR pistons so i get 8.3:1, this should be a good base to work from right??