Moderating Issues

[CivicSpoon]

Originally Posted by J_Swigz

Now, if you would like to address the actual contents put forth by CivicSpoon, please do, but do not bring this thread off topic to accuse the moderators of making a wrong decision as far as banning someone.

Thank you. I think people are getting a little confused on the whole purpose of this thread. I never wanted this thread to be soley about Ricochet. I only used him as an example on a couple places.

clawhammer - Please re-read the thread. I haven't seen anyone say that Ricochet shouldn't have been permenantly banned. There were questions of why he was temp banned in the first place (as well as others, not just him) but that has already been discussed and answered. And after the mods gave their answer as to why he was permenantly banned, no one has said that the mods made the wrong decision.

I fear this thread is started taking an offensive and defensive turn. Please everyone take a step back with an open mind and try to see both sides of things. Lets not turn this thread into a negative thing. Anyone who starts trouble for the sake of starting toruble will face the wrath of CivicSpoon j/k But seriously, this is a discussion not an argument.

[G35XAndTrailBlazer]

lol good post.

i read the whole thing, and i think sometimes people cant help what they say, and it blurts out. Maybe thats what happened to Richochet and thats why he is permanetly banned.

I did that once. Now I'm banned from a snowmobile forum lol

[GScivic7]

Originally Posted by mentel

I think that Moderators as a whole are under appreciated. I'm keeping it short and simple.

If moderators are so under appreciated why the hell would I go through all the trouble to get new mods in the honda forum. We needed mods who are around our members and forums 24/7 and understand the atmosphere and the personality of each member.

If Ricochet's post was so offensive why the hell didn't my post get chopped? It's funny how after we get new mods, all these global mods want in on the shit that goes down in the Honda forums.

That line about how Igor could very well charge us for this site is complete bullshit too. The members on here don't get paid to help out each other do they? They could very well be somewhere else making money giving out automotive advice. If everyone thought like that where would AF be without it's members? That damn statement is always brought up and it's a complete crock.

If you need to delete posts and threads fine, but don't ban someone who is a valuable member to our forum. Maybe if he went in other forums talking a lot of shit, which he may have, I don't know I'm not his babysitter, he might have deserved it, but I really doubt he is the type to do that. All the mods have to do is delete offensive posts and threads and there would never be any trace of it.

My last 3 years here overall have been great, I've taken a lot from this website and have been trying to give back, was even about to donate to the site once I got my new credit card. However, lately things have just straight hit the fan.

[G35XAndTrailBlazer]

All the mods have to do is delete offensive posts and threads and there would never be any trace of it.

That is why on all my forums, we put a deleted post section and it is saved.

I agree with you 100% that the bottom line is, we need to start saving improtant bannings on forums, so when members, like civicspoon, have somthing to say, everyone can review the things, and not have to say, he may or may not have done things.

One of my most improtant things to say is, maybe they should start hiring fully respected members like Hobbes, and people to mod, since they are respected by members, are nice, and take action when they see things.

But i dont know half the people on this forum, so my post may just get ignored.

Neways. Great talking with all of you, and this is the #1 thing that happens on forums and has to get delt with and figured out!

[RallyRaider]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

All the mods have to do is delete offensive posts and threads and there would never be any trace of it.

That is the crux of the Ricochet matter for me. We do not have the time to continually baby sit members and clean up their mess. If a person proves they cannot be trusted to do the right thing (as was the case with Ricochet) then they cannot be trusted with posting rights. Sorry, if you want anarchy then there are other places on the internet you can have that in spades. Here we act civilly.

[mentel]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

If moderators are so under appreciated why the hell would I go through all the trouble to get new mods in the honda forum. We needed mods who are around our members and forums 24/7 and understand the atmosphere and the personality of each member.

I was speaking of AF as a whole. There are good members such as yourself, but there are not enough to make a big difference. Obviously, look at this thread and recent events. Besides - trying to recruit new moderators isn't exactly my defination of showing appreciation.

[GScivic7]

Originally Posted by mentel

Besides - trying to recruit new moderators isn't exactly my defination of showing appreciation.

If the time I spend and the things I do that I think are helpful to the site aren't appreciated, I guess there is no reason for me to be here. You guys have said it and I have also said it, "If you don't like the way things are here, leave." I'll take my own advice and act on it.

Thank you to everyone on AF as a whole for making it my home for 3 years.

[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

It's funny how after we get new mods, all these global mods want in on the shit that goes down in the Honda forums.

Please... We're enforcing the guidelines. Nothing more complicated than that. If you believe that we dart from forum to forum looking for ban candidates, you're grossly mistaken.

Originally Posted by GScivic7

If you need to delete posts and threads fine, but don't ban someone who is a valuable member to our forum. Maybe if he went in other forums talking a lot of shit, which he may have, I don't know I'm not his babysitter, he might have deserved it, but I really doubt he is the type to do that. All the mods have to do is delete offensive posts and threads and there would never be any trace of it.

No. We don't have to put up with that. The member is responsible for what he or she posts. If you want to stick around, play by the rules. If after being given a second chance, you don't take it, blame yourself. Don't look beyond that when assigning blame.

Originally Posted by GScivic7

My last 3 years here overall have been great, I've taken a lot from this website and have been trying to give back, was even about to donate to the site once I got my new credit card. However, lately things have just straight hit the fan.

Have they? I dont see a mass uprising. Maybe I'm missing something, so go ahead and expand on that.

[TheSilentChamber]

Originally Posted by mentel

Besides - trying to recruit new moderators isn't exactly my defination of showing appreciation.

So he spent time and effort trying to improve one of the places he likes to spend his time, how is that not appreciation. He was trying to better the forums. What exactly one have to do around here short of performing oral sex on a mod before they are appreciated.

[mentel]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

If the time I spend and the things I do that I think are helpful to the site aren't appreciated, I guess there is no reason for me to be here. You guys have said it and I have also said it, "If you don't like the way things are here, leave." I'll take my own advice and act on it.

Thank you to everyone on AF as a whole for making it my home for 3 years.

Nobody is telling you to, or giving you hints to leave. Personally, no problem here with you.

There is a difference between being helpful to the site, and helpful and appreciative to the people who run it (moderators). Please take the time to distinguish the difference.

[mentel]

Originally Posted by TheSilentChamber

So he spent time and effort trying to improve one of the places he likes to spend his time, how is that not appreciation. He was trying to better the forums. What exactly one have to do around here short of performing oral sex on a mod before they are appreciated.

Please cool it. I was not trying to instigate anything here. I was simply saying that everybody makes the moderator out to be the bad guy. Sure, you can go and give advice to the forums, help people out, that does provide for the community. What I'm saying, is that there is not many users who direct it strictly to the moderators. As many of us have said, it's a thankless job. Please read my posts thoroughly. I do not want a flame war, a closed thread, or anything inbetween. Try to keep it civil.

[Hobbes]

I don't have any to bring in but I'll say this; A very good thread and very good responses from those that answered. I say if the members and moderators work together this place will never get ugly.

[G35XAndTrailBlazer]

Yes. I believe our posts here are making a difference. Lets just try to get along.

I said my post would get ignored, and no one has said a thing to me.

[Mediocrity]

I've just one thing to say about Ricochet being banned for calling something someone wanted to being gay.

It seems to me these days, calling something gay is not automatic connotation for something being "homosexual". As it were, it seems to be split into both someone being homosexual and something being synonymous with "stupid" or "bad". Most people use it these days without actually meaning "homosexual" but rather just negative notation for something.

Just my 2 cents, and I realize some people see it differently.

[G35XAndTrailBlazer]

Its just slang in school.

I dont think he meant it that way.