...... a 1.8T hung with me on the highway.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

I would definantley agree with TAT that putting on you hazards whenever you clearly got your ass handed to you even though you miraculously (sp?) passed him at 120 is pretty rice. Despite the akward heel toe reference there is no reason to critique a veteran member for being a ricer.

[turbo2nr]

damm tat, you need to boost up the 240 and find where the hp went, that sux i would hate it as well if i lost 20whp.. man.. good luck, may be you should re-tune and try it again.. i dont know man..at this rate my shitty probe will be a match for you.. man i hope you get it fixed
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[civicHBsi91]

A loss is a loss face it you lost.

Your excuse sounded like what a ricer would say, so I stated that.

Fix your problem and race again until then you lost, be a man about it.

[noodleman]

A loss is a loss? So if you stop racing and then they fly by you lose? Wth is wrong with you civic. He hit his limiter as was pulling on the gti until then, sounds to me like he won and i can see where the frustration comes from.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by civicHBsi91

A loss is a loss face it you lost.

...is what a ricer would say. Maybe you're the guy from the 'civic idiots' thread who lost to a 3000GT, and when the 3000GT was slowing down, you passed him and put your hazards on?

He was slowing down when the GTI was passing him. That's not a loss, it's a ricer fly by. Are you telling us you're one of those people who does ricer fly bys?

Using your formula, the car with the highest top speed would be considered the "fastest" because it'll just keep going, even if it's slow.

[JekylandHyde]

Tat, if you felt you won at 120 and were so far ahead, why not put your flahsers on and claim the win?

Originally Posted by TatII

well me and all my friends are probrably heel toeing at the wrong time then.

You just earned loads of respect from me (if that matters for anything lol). One thing I can appreciate is someone open tothe possiblity of being incorrect and wanting to learn from it.

Originally Posted by TatII

i was always under the impression that you heel toe on a straight before you enter a corner. this way you'll be in the power band during the turn and help you power out of the turn. but i guess that is not when it is used.

That is accurate.

In your last description, you refered to heeel-n-toeing twice.
Both scenarios didn't make sense to me:
1. You heel-n-toed to avoid a collision ... abd news .... just use the brake. You heel-n-toe to rev match the lower gear so you can use that gear. If you are trying ot avoid a collision you do not want to "use" the lower gear ... unless you are using the braking power of the compression of the engine to help slow you down faster in which case you do not want to "Rev it up" ... just drop it and let it pull

2. The 2nd reference was when you went back into 3rd when you were ready to take off on your race. heel-n-oe is just a "blip of the throttle" to match the gear so the slow down is smooth ... but you were taking off to race, not slowing down. It would make more sense to downshift and just MASH ON IT

Originally Posted by TatII

and to civichb i mean just try to be in my shoes. i lost 20whp. i'm still tryin to figure out where it disappeared to.

You could have lost 20 hp just by changing dynos ... a different tank of gas ... different temperatures ... if your ignition components were getitng tired. Lots of things.

I am confused by your HP ... your siggy says estimates, but you actually dynoed at 213 ... when were your other dynos?

Originally Posted by TatII

if i really live that close to english town i would definitly go there more often and know what my car really runs. or even better, just go road racing. but i have no access to any of that so this is what i have to deal with.

Englishtown is probably 30 minutes from the Holland tunnel ... maybe a bit more. There are lots of places to race legally with time slips ... you just have to find them. I know there is another 1/4 mile track just outside of NYC.

Originally Posted by TatII

from the time we hit 120mph i wasn't even go from 1 exit to the next. and since your from around the tri state area, your aware that the exits on the highways in nyc is around 1 mile apart. so it honestly didn't feel like that long of a race.

100% agreed ... I've been there and I realize how fast things change at speed. THAT is one of the reasons street racing is so dangerous. The track HAS a finish a line ... the street just has gaurdrails

[TatII]

alright hyde. i respect that you are teaching me. well that is when i usually heel toe. its a habit for me to heel toe down each gear as i'm hitting the brakes to enter a merge, or a exit ramp. if i'm goin straight and i'm not hitting the brakes, i normally just rev match to downshift smoothly.

i guess it was just me doing bad story telling becuase the way you describe heel and toe and rev match is what how i normally drive on a daily basis to save clutch and trans life.

the reason why i think i lost power is because its the same dyno that i went to a year ago. and i just gave it a tune up. however i noticed the software on the dyno had been changed. so maybe that could be the reason why i lost power. i have no clue. the only way to race hondachili's MR2. me and him are identical from a roll. so if he pulls on me, then i must've really did some how magically lost power

and why didn't i hit the hazards? becasue i never hit the hazards. even if i whooped them, i never hit the hazards. read all my previous street races and you will never read about me hazarding someone period. i find that very very desrespectful to hazard someone and it could lead to serious road rage ( like how i'm feeling ). since i never harzard he had no clue that i had i already stoped racing after i hit the limiter. ( it didnt' occur to me to use brakes at the moment becusae i normally coast down to normally speed using engine brake if there is no one ahead of me, yes i'm cheap with brakes ). and since he like 6 cars behind ( around 60ft ) he should be goin well over 100mph as well. all it takes is less then a second and he would pass me. he would've never known that i had hit the limiter. so he harzard my ass.

[fatninja19]

ahh, nice run, Tat. Get them injectors in along with the ecu, and get a few dyno pulls done.. That way everyone will be happy...

[nissanfanatic]

The limiters do suck on the 240. I lost races before when my car was still NA because of the limiter. Not 1/4 mile races, but street runs. I got what you're saying Tat.

[95dxcivic]

Fastest I have gone in my car is ike 70 mph even at that speed I felt nervous because I felt that every little movement of the steering wheel made me move alot as well as little bums.

[civicHBsi91]

Originally Posted by TypeS

...is what a ricer would say. Maybe you're the guy from the 'civic idiots' thread who lost to a 3000GT, and when the 3000GT was slowing down, you passed him and put your hazards on?

He was slowing down when the GTI was passing him. That's not a loss, it's a ricer fly by. Are you telling us you're one of those people who does ricer fly bys?

Using your formula, the car with the highest top speed would be considered the "fastest" because it'll just keep going, even if it's slow.

whoa me ricer I think not.

To me it seemed he was pissed he was racing hit his limiter and the other car passed him claiming a win, quit fukin bitchin get your limiter removed.

and no im not the guy from the civic idiots thread, I have more time on here and probably lots more experience in street racing than you.

Yes smart guy the car with the highest top speed is the fastest, the car that gets to a certain point quicker is QUICKER.

[JekylandHyde]

Originally Posted by civicHBsi91

the car with the highest top speed is the fastest, the car that gets to a certain point quicker is QUICKER.

100% correct.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by civicHBsi91

Yes smart guy the car with the highest top speed is the fastest, the car that gets to a certain point quicker is QUICKER.

You know what I meant. Of course a car with a higher top speed will be faster, but noone races up to 160.

You're basically telling me that if you raced a 17 second car that goes up to 160 and you put buslengths on him until you hit your limiter or fuel cut off, if he caught up to you and passed you after you hit your limiter, you'd count it as a loss? I think not.

Most races don't go above 110. If someone is beating you by 6 car lengths, that should tell you something. There is really no point to keep going, especially at those speeds.

[civicHBsi91]

obviously the vw wasent stock they themselves have speedlimiters around 125mph

he pulled ahead, he thought he won, go find him race again from slower speeds take your win.

Im done arguing it's pointless.

[TypeS]

I wasn't racing him, it was tat. I don't have a reason to pick sides. To me it sounds like a ricer fly by.