10 Second Car (fastandfurious) What does it Take..??

[TatII]

Originally Posted by 200SXGTi-R

BTW 650hp gives a higher mph aprx 140+/- depending on weight.

do you have any idea what kind of E.T's you get from a 140mph pass? that is a high 10 second pass. so you mean to tell me that it only takes 650whp to get a supra in the 10's? yes weight does play a factor. but a hugh factor. along with drive train. a 500whp evo can run 10's and trap 140mph. however it would take much much more hp for a 3500lb car to reach that. since they have harder time gettin off the line due to lag from a large turbo. most of their E.T. are accomplished after the 8th mile. thats why imports always trap higher then a domestic. i know a guy ( who i really don't like ) he has a barricude with a 383 in it. he runs a 12.2 but only traps 108mph. his 0-60ft isn't even that great at 1.7 however for a import to run a similar time you they need to trap at 115 mphsih. 650hp might give you 140+ on a B13 or in a civic but no way in hell can it do that with a supra.

[SiXPuSHA]

Originally Posted by 200SXGTi-R

another example of cheap fast solution.

Sentra gutted ....Gti-r SR20DET RN-N14...T78 turbo 35 psi..haltec Ems and slicks.

Cheap, yes thats it, especially when you're snapping axles and God knows what else everytime you make a pass. A t78 turbo on a 2.0 motor?? Why so big? Bigger isnt always better if you dont have the displacement, unless you like having 1 or 2k rpms of usable power. What kind of tranny would you run with that? Trailor queen, or daily driver? A question of mine is why everyone wants to run so much boost with such big turbos on small motors. You'd be better off converting a sentra to rwd and using a quicker spooling hybrid t3/04 for all the money that you're talking about spending , or simply buying a 240sx with some form of DET at the end..

[Sleepr awd]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Now why did I forget that?

she's the lowering kit, u gotta keep her beefed up and in the center of the car

[200SXGTi-R]

ok...the t3t4 is good for regualr driving. for draging a big turbo is the way to go. lag is not that important in draging actually it can help with traction. when you launch a car with a big turbo with two step you already building boost and your in high rpm all the way down the track. when a big turbo hits big boost its a lot harder than a small one. that why you have to get stanmd alone ems and valavetrain to get rpms up to 10k or so. with a big turbo for a drag race car on a small displacement the misconception of "won't spool" isn't always true. if sized correctly for horsepower goals with rpm ...meaning trim, a/r...blade design etc. plus the fact that to make the same boost the big turbo has a lower shaft speed wich makes it more efficient. then if want it to spool faster just hit it with a shot of nos down low.

when was the last time you saw a 1.6...1.8....2.0 run sub 10s et. with a T3/T4? if so how many ...compared to those with T4E and bigger.

yes ...T78 the HKS and greddy kits for drag and high horse power for a 3SGTE 2.0 come with it.

about the supra ... yes you will see 140mph from 650hp Turbo supra. might get low 12 to low 11s depending on a lot ot variables..like chassis, traction etc

tranny for the sentra ...par dog set

[-Josh-]

I heard they make a Turbo kit for the older 5.0 stangs that's supposed to give ungodly horsepower gains, anyone else hear of it?

I once talked to an asian guy around here who opened up a bunch of restaurants and bought everyone in his family a Supra, we asked him how much horsepower he had. He said "750 HP." How? "biiiiiiig turrrbo"

[200SXGTi-R]

belive it or not the supras make big horse power easy. big turbo. big fuel free exhaust with good ignition etc. 750 is easy....oh yea the rev limit raised could help too. all on stock internals!

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by 200SXGTi-R

power= high boost >30psi, and or Nos big shot 200,head work(port, cam, gears, valves, springs)etc

Stregnth= crank, rods, pistons, headgasket, bore sleeve etc

traction= chassis, rollcage, suspension slicks

powertrain= strong tranny, cltuch, flywheel, preesure plate or auto...LSD diff, axles etc

weight= get rid of some, plexiglass, fiber glass, carbon fiber, titanuim aluminum etc

EMS= haltech, motec, hondata...etc... AND THE RIGHT TUNER.

WITH THESE PARTS IN THE RIGHT CAR WITH THE RIGHT DRIVER 10'S AND BELOW..PROVIDING THE BUDGET.

If you want to build a 10 sec car and your serious PM me.

Greater than 30PSI? thats about what big rig turbos run... thats over 2 atmospheres...most cars cant handle any more than 18-14PSI of boost...your gonna need a hella good head gasket and piston rings to hold that much boost when the piston reaches TDC...and some hella high octane gas...like some C-16 or something...
to run a 10sec car takes some pretty low HP per LB ratios...and a good driver if its a manual...a 3000lb car would need in ups of 500-600HP... i beleives i have seen a Supra with 575HP run in the mid 10's..and ive seen an FC with 580HP run in the low 10's...ive seen streetable cars that run in the 9's...of corse they dont run the same boost and diff tires than on the track...and their idle is pretty rough...and i wouldnt take them on any out of town trip because of reliability.... shoot for 13's or 12's and you can keep it streetable...a friend of mine had a talon TSI that ran a best of 13.65 ET and he drove it to work everyday...but he only ran 10PSI of boost on street and 17.5 at the track... one of my good buddies has a CRX with an NA B18 with everything but internals (probably has about 200hp) that'll run in the 13's...with only a 50 shot of nitros...and i know a guy that has a Maxima with pretty basic upgrades that will run in the low 14's...but to brake out of 12's is pretty hard...especially for lower displacement cars...but hey id rather take a corner at high speed than go straight at high speed....

[95dxcivic]

How much can you boost with head gasket, forged pistons and forged rods.? I'm only fifteen I dont know a whole lot about turbos but I wanna learn.

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by Z28Josh

I heard they make a Turbo kit for the older 5.0 stangs that's supposed to give ungodly horsepower gains, anyone else hear of it?

turbomustangs.com

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by 95dxcivic

How much can you boost with head gasket, forged pistons and forged rods.? I'm only fifteen I dont know a whole lot about turbos but I wanna learn.

quite a bit but i wouldnt push 30PSI...25 at most...because if your going to change out all your internals your are obviously looking for strenth probably in racing...and though 30PSI wont hurt much in normal driving with forged pistons and rods and a good head gasket, but having the thing reved at 5000+ for munites on end will kill your engine with 30PSI of boost...

[-Jayson-]

on stock internals i wouldnt go above 8 PSI in a 4 banger, no way 30 PSI would work. You would kill that engine so fast it would be insane. Not to mention you would need some massive fuel injectors, bigger fuel rails, better fuel pump, some kind of FMU, and after all that, as soon as he got into double digit boost numbers he would blow up. 30 PSI on any stock engine is an ungodly amount of boost thats surely will destroy the engine.

[TatII]

it also depends on what kind of engine it is. if its already turboed from the factory they can generally take 20+ psi of boost. the 4G63 found in the EVO already run's 19 psi stock. people can boost it up to 23 psi average. there are some dumb guys can boost it to 27psi but they over spun their turbo to reach that psi. so their engine out lasted their turbo making 27 psi of boost. lolz SR20DET can also outhandle their stock turbos. the general hp limit for a 4 cylinder turbo is 400 reliable hp. the general limit for a 6 cylinder turbo is 550hp. however a few can go higher such as 900-1000hp such as the supra's. the skylines can handle around 600-700hp.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by 200SXGTi-R

i know one easy wat to get 10.5 is a CRX...gutted...B20 block...B16 head...T4/67 turbo... 35+/-psi boost...hondata EMS...big slicks and good driver.

ive seen it more than once.

another example of cheap fast solution.

Sentra gutted ....Gti-r SR20DET RN-N14...T78 turbo 35 psi..haltec Ems and slicks.

There is nothing cheap or easy about either of those

Originally Posted by HighRev87

Why do people aim for such low times?!?! I would be so incredibly happy with 12 second car. In fact it is almost the aim of my stang. Unless I Turbo it, then ill want a lil more.....
Ugh...going to need to do internals, but at least I got my laptop

Hell I don't even have a "time" goal. I'm gonna build a fun, fully streetable engine that's tuned far on the side of safety and reliability, and see how fast that is. Likely a low 12, possibly an 11. Even going with a mid 12, I'll be extrememly happy and there will be very few other street cars I'll ever come across that are faster than that. You folks talking about building 9 and 10 second street cars need a dose of reality...

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by LjasonL

You folks talking about building 9 and 10 second street cars need a dose of reality...

Exactly.
Unless the car is track only, in that case whole 'nother story.

[CassiesMan]

You can get in the 9s easy for 10K...Of course, that is if your a good driver, and you dont mind it being a Haybusa, not a car...