Camaro vs. 240sx

[J SPEC SilEighty]

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

damn your anal on this kinda thing!


speaking of anal i got this one girl you might wanta hire for the night

Haha, I just don't see how he's going to sit there and say that Chevy didn't have a 5.0, when in fact the 305 is closer to a 5.0 than fords 302, which they called the "5.0"

[Towlie]

Originally Posted by EnjukuRacing240sx

yeah too bad chevy never made a 5.0... stick to talking about nissans, you seem to know more about that.

well maybe u should inform cars.com they have there info wrong

jackass

[Towlie]

look im not saying the camaros or slow or that they suck

i love the SS
im just saying that a 240sx against a 1990 camaro has a chance
and a good one at that
especially if its an automatic i mean come on

it really comes down to the better driver

and obviously this 240sx driver is not very experienced so yea he will prolly lose
either way ive beet older camaros and 5.0's on occasion
mostly the 5.0s just rip my ass off after 2nd gear, but still

the older camaros stock did suck ass

anyone wanna look up there quarter mile times?

240sx has what 160lbs of torque and 155hp on a car thats lighter and 5speed, come on now

were not talking about some 450hp v8 were talking about a 245hp 5.7 if hes lucky

and this guy is racing hondas
if u had a v8 that was fast would u be setting up races with
poor little 4 cylinders
come on its not worth tha $1.79 in gas

[johnnyboy5]

i admit that i may not be an experienced driver, but i do know more than some other people who pretend to b racers. I dont go out looking for races until i know for sure what i am doing, this guy challenged me. I also have respect other cars, maybe except geo metros. Ive had the 240 4 i month and it is faster and has more power than other cars that ive driven. If I was driving my old prelude or my friends eclipse gs, i wouldnt have accepted the challenge, but i know that the 240 has a lot more chance to race the camaro.

BTW I found out the guy has his camaro stock, rs v6. Supposively did something special to the car but i doubt it, the engine bay looked regular to me and the car didnt sound so good either.

[johnnyboy5]

we're racing tomorrow (friday)
should i waste an extra 10 cents/gal on super unleaded, synth oil or just race how it is?

my friend told me that i should take out the cat, put bosch +4 s.p. and put octane booster. He's willing to lend me a hand and lend me his slicks. I think it sounds good to do an early tune up but i dunno about the cat.

Any suggestions or comments?

[J SPEC SilEighty]

slicks? hahaha you definately don't need slicks for this race. When my s14 was completely stock I raced my friends 92 RS (auto and 6cyl) and I had him by about 3 car lengths at 100mph.

As long as you don't mess up your shifting then you'll easily get him

[johnnyboy5]

all right thanxs

[mrflip69]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

it saddens me your so ignorant. There is only one way to make an import fast, and thats to mod the shit out of it and BEAT THE LIVING PISS OUT OF IT. you always have to have the throttle down HARD and shift as fast as possible to get any sort of speed out of them. Now take a newer camaro, see the displacement does actually do something, because its the displacement that allows so much power to be made. The more displacement gives off more torque and lower in the powerband. So u can give ur civic 20% throttle and a camaro 15% throttle and the camaro will pull on it lol. Its obvious you have never driven a decent v8 powered car, I have. I used to think like u did that they sucked, thats until I drove a good one a lot....


yeah 215hp from 5.7L is pretty sad, its not like thats all they could do though lol, it had more to do with detuning it for the type of car people wanted to buy during that time frame.

but its not as bad as 105hp from a 2.2 Honda.....LMFAO
and compare the torque curve of the two engines and you will shit yourself. I don't see how people rag on american engines. If you know ANYTHING about power and using it, and have looked at a dyno chart for say a honda and then say a LT1 or a LS1 you should be shell shocked. Whats a B18C make, thats like Hondas top 4 banger and they put out like 100fwtorque on a dyno, thats at redline too, from 0-5000rpm they make like 30 lbs of torque... thats FUCKING sad

Dude, you bashing imports is the same as us bashing domestics. Aren't Camaros considered sports cars, while Integras "sports compact"? Why detune when they could try engineering something a little more efficient that produces the same power? VW GTI 1.8t, with minor mods really ups the ante... and thats from 1.8L, granted Americans are N/A.

What are you doing comparing an 8 cylinder to a 4 cylinder anyway? Totally in a different class. How about the S2000? People always forget that's a 4-banger and gets decent power for the car. Don't follow the same problems of being biased that import owners have against domestics, and domestics against imports.

[Towlie]

Originally Posted by mrflip69

Dude, you bashing imports is the same as us bashing domestics. Aren't Camaros considered sports cars, while Integras "sports compact"? Why detune when they could try engineering something a little more efficient that produces the same power? VW GTI 1.8t, with minor mods really ups the ante... and thats from 1.8L, granted Americans are N/A.

What are you doing comparing an 8 cylinder to a 4 cylinder anyway? Totally in a different class. How about the S2000? People always forget that's a 4-banger and gets decent power for the car. Don't follow the same problems of being biased that import owners have against domestics, and domestics against imports.

i think what he means by detuned was they had laws and regulations on cars in the 90's and they werent allowed to be as powereful or had to have certain requirements or somethin

[SR20DETpower]

Integra is about the only Honda I'd consider a sports car sans the s2000 and NSX. sport compact would be something like an Accord, Civic, Camry, Corolla...

and take a look at the s2000 dyno chart

yeah it makes a peak 250hp(flywheel) but look at a dyno chart for a car and you can find out a hell of a lot more about an engine's power. Those s2000's were so shitty in power delivery honda themselves changed it LOL.....enough said on s2000's.

I guess Im speaking to bricks here mostly, most of you guys have no experience with different kinds of cars and have only actually driven one or two kinds of cars lol. When u drive a hundred different cars, come and tell me your opinion. My main experience with messing with Chevy's a lot is with a 94 Impala SS. Its faster then a camaro in the top end, more balanced, a lot bigger, and has more lateral grip(.88, same as a 240sx or a 350z...impressive for a 4200lb 4 door eh?) The power delivery and all around driving experience is VASTYL different with its totally different powerband over an import style engine.

So many people go wrong by just saying, well this s2000 engine has 250hp and this old camaro one with twice as many cylinders only has 245. Go look at a dyno chart for both engines, see where the torque comes along and how much power the engines really make to the wheels. Unless you are very fukin dumb you will come back and say you'd rather have that big ass 5.7L engine.

[J SPEC SilEighty]

I've driven an S2k before and the powerband is horrible. Off the line and just normal cruising speeds, it feels like a B16A with just a little more power. It's not terribly slow off the line, but when you hear about it having 250hp then you immediately think it must be pretty quick. I will admit though that the S2k is a beast on the freeway. You have to rev the piss out of the F20 to get it to really get up and go. I would much rather have a more usable powerband with a little less power. I haven't driven the new S2k's with the F22 in them yet so I can't comment on that motor.

[publicenemy137]

^ yea my sis has one, to get any usable power you have to rev it all the way to 6k. It takes some experience launching that thing...

it's not a very good daily driver, b/c to feel speed you would have to rev it all the way up and it will eat your gas like no other

[mrflip69]

Yes, Honda revised the S2K to be more "streetable". They even got more power out of it if I'm not correct, but for the car, the engine suits its purposes.

You're the one ragging on Civics vs. Camaros which is a pretty shitty comparison. Bigger parts, more displacement, you'll obviously get more power.

Powerband is just preference... SR vs. KA ring a bell?

I'd still rather have an S2K over a Camaro any day, but knowing you, you'd take the Camaro. At least acknowledge that fast is fast, no matter how you get there.

[SHO411]

True and not true, fast for my mom was me at 90mph, when my fuel was cut at 135mph on my SHO, that wasn't fast enough.
Im gonna be like 50 (backdown)
"Lil dragers now listen, domestics and imports,
2000s' and camaros, the lines you drawing, shut up and just race them."
All cars have their pros and cons,
domestics, big CCs' poor craftsman ship = cheap HP
Imports, small CCs' good craftsman ship= durability,
when you combine the two, you come up with ferraris, 3.5L V8, 395Hp, Porche 3.6L F6 360Hp=
100K......... waaaaaaaay out of our Budget.
So pick a freaking car that suits you and quit bitching about the other, appreciate the cars for what they are, toys for us, play with them, enjoy them and if his has more power go buy one like his, or build one, Ok.

[Towlie]

Originally Posted by SHO411

True and not true, fast for my mom was me at 90mph, when my fuel was cut at 135mph on my SHO, that wasn't fast enough.
Im gonna be like 50 (backdown)
"Lil dragers now listen, domestics and imports,
2000s' and camaros, the lines you drawing, shut up and just race them."
All cars have their pros and cons,
domestics, big CCs' poor craftsman ship = cheap HP
Imports, small CCs' good craftsman ship= durability,
when you combine the two, you come up with ferraris, 3.5L V8, 395Hp, Porche 3.6L F6 360Hp=
100K......... waaaaaaaay out of our Budget.
So pick a freaking car that suits you and quit bitching about the other, appreciate the cars for what they are, toys for us, play with them, enjoy them and if his has more power go buy one like his, or build one, Ok.

This is completely changing subject

the subject was can a 240sx beat a stock 1990 camaro automatic
and no matter which engine it has for the 1990 stock, the 240sx has a chance either way

now weve established its a v6 and let me tell u, those things are not fast
my ex gfs family was into the early 90 camaros, and let me tell u, those things are not that fast!!!

come on now

i dont know how u guys turned this one into an argument

whatever the power band on the damn 240sx is, it doesnt matter
dyno whatever u want

it can still win

i love the camaro up there in my top 10
doesnt change anything