What is "the muscle" of Imports??

[youngvr4]

the title says, muscle of imports, he means for you who don't understand, strong engines or fast cars of japan. whats the muscle of german cars maybe a m3. what are the strong fast cars of japan since you guys refuse to camaflouge to what he means. and nsx was mentioned and mr2's dont run less t han 14.0 sec stock thats why they weren's mentioned most likely but i do say they are very nice cars and quick. now can we all relate now? whats the fast cars of japan. all american cars that run less than 14.0 sec are known as muscle
mustang camaro trans am and everything else you think of. with that said stop babling about no jap muscles and speak your mind about the fastest jap cars.

[ghetto7o2azn]

i think a sl600 would be a german muscle car

[youngvr4]

me too

[freakonaleash1187]

Originally Posted by Lachean

The Japanese make sports cars, and "Rally Inspired" 4 door AWD's...

And if you were gonna name Japan's top performers, how could you forget about the MR's? (MR2, NSX, maybe the Lotus Elise if you consider the origin of the engine)

And the RX-7 is Mid-engine because it lies between the front and rear axle. Just because the engine is infront of you doesnt mean its not a mid-engine...

i dont know where the engine is in a rx-7, but if what you say is true about it being between the front axle and rear axle, than it is a mid-engine car. take the new ferrari f-612 for example, it is considered a mid-engine car but the engine is in the front, the 6.0L v-12 (hint the name) sits behind the front axle and in front of the rear axle.

[aznxthuggie]

well now that i think of it.. for the japanese it wouldn't really be the car that is the muscle.. for many years toyota used the same engine in all the old mr2 / ae86 trueno / celica gt i think its some 4banger.. but it must have been good in its time because it was used to widely n etc for mitsubishi they used the 4ag something engine n almost all the 4banger cars they had and it still beign used.. so it must be good.. and in for nissan the rb26dett was used in 3 generations of skylines.. im friggin sure its a muscle car much more i haven't mention but i hope i proved my point

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

all american cars that run less than 14.0 sec are known as muscle
mustang camaro trans am and everything else you think of. with that said stop babling about no jap muscles and speak your mind about the fastest jap cars.

When did this happen?? Mustangs and Camaros are PONY cars, not Muscle cars, Corvettes aren't Muscle cars but they're made in America and are sub 14 cars...

Christ now I'm starting to sound like you guys, I'm done!

[youngvr4]

if your saying mustang cobra's and ws6 and camaro's are not muscle cars, then i'm done as well, lol. These are the fastest muscle cars of all time, as ranked by Muscle Car Review Magazine, the source on muscle cars. This ranking was developed by comparing muscle cars as measured by different, respected sources, which were then ranked by their respective quarter mile elapsed times.



50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro [email protected] 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?
14 1968 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette [email protected] 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 [email protected] 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds [email protected] 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 HO 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68
32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67
33 1965 Catalina 13.80@106 421 6V ? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65
34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69
35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71
36 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66
37 1969 Coronet R/T [email protected] 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10 SS 4/69
38 1968 Cyclone GT [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68
39 1969 Nova SS 396 [email protected] 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69
40 1969 Shelby GT-500 [email protected] 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69
41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69
42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 [email protected] 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69
43 1962 Corvette [email protected] 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62
44 1969 Barracuda [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69
45 1962 Catalina 13.90@107 421 4V ? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62
46 1969 Mustang Mach I [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69
47 1967 GTO [email protected] 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67
48 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70
49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V ? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70
Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock




Fastest Modern Domestic Cars



These are the fastest domestic modern cars in the quarter mile.



FASTEST MODERN DOMESTIC CARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS SOURCE
1 1997 Viper GTS 12.05@116 V10 450 6-Speed MM 8/97
2 2002 Corvette Z06 [email protected] LS6 350 405 6-Speed MT 2/02
3 1990 ZR1 Corvette [email protected] LT5 350 375 6-Speed MT 4/90
4 1997 Hurst/Firebird [email protected] 350 350 automatic MCR 4/97
5 1992 Viper RT/10 13.1@108 488 V10 400 6-Speed CD 7/92
6 1995 ZR1 Corvette [email protected] LT5 350 405 6-Speed MT 8/95
7 2001 Corvette Coupe [email protected] LS1 350 350 6-Speed MT 3/01
8 1997 Corvette [email protected] 350 LS-1 345 6-Speed MT 5/97
9 1997 SLP Camaro SS [email protected] 350 LT4 330 6-Speed MT 2/97
10 1990 Pontiac Firehawk 13.20@107 350 350 6-Speed CD 6/91
11 1996 Camaro Z28 SS [email protected] 350 LT-1 310 6-Speed MCR F/M 96
12 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 [email protected] 350 LS1 325 6-Speed MT 12/99
13 2002 Camaro Z28 SS [email protected] 350 LS1 325 6-Speed MT 12/01
14 1995 Mustang Cobra R [email protected] 351 300 5-Speed MCR A/S 95
15 1996 Corvette GS [email protected] 350 LT-4 330 6-Speed RT 2/96
16 1987 Buick GNX 13.70@102 231 Turbo V6 300 automatic HR 4/87
17 2001 SVT Mustang Cobra [email protected] 4.6L V8 320 5-Speed MT 12/01




Imports



For comparison sake, here are a few import 1/4 mile times. Note: Only cars with MSRPs less than $50,000 are on the list, so no exotics. Remember, these are supposed to be affordable.




FASTEST IMPORT CARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS SOURCE
1 2001 BMW M Roadster [email protected] 3.2 I6 315 5-Speed MT 4/02
2 2001 BMW M3 Coupe [email protected] 3.2 I6 333 6-Speed MT 8/01
3 1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 13.4 3.0 V6 Turbo 320 - -
4 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR-4 13.5 3.0 V6 Turbo 320 - -
5 2000 Honda S2000 [email protected] 2.0 I4 240 6-Speed MT 2/00
6 1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 13.9 3.0 V6 Turbo - - -
7 1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 13.9 - - - -
8 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX [email protected] 2.0 F4 Turbo 227 5-Speed MT 1/02
9 1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo 14.8 - - - -
10 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 14.9 2.0 I4 Turbo - - -
11 2002 Acura RSX Type S [email protected] 2.0 I4 200 6-Speed MT 1/02
11 1994 Honda Prelude VTEC 15.1 @ 93 2.2 I4 190 5-Speed CD 6/94
13 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS Spyder [email protected] 3.0 V6 210 5-Speed MT 4/02
14 1997 Acura Integra Type R 15.2 1.8 I4 190 5-Speed -
15 2002 Audi A4 Quattro 15.3 3.0 V6 220 6-Speed MT 2/02
16 1997 Acura Integra GS-R 15.5 1.8 I4 170 5-Speed -
17 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V [email protected] 2.0 I4 175 6-Speed MT 4/02
18 1999 Honda Civic Si 15.7 1.6 I4 160 5-Speed -
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml

[Neutrino]

justacruiser is right despite the fact that many people xall them muscle cars only some of them were. The rest were pony cars despite their engine

mustang, cuda, challenger they were all pony cars

a charger on the other would be a muscle car


i used to confuse them too till polygon explain it to me

[Joseph1082]

Thank you youngvr4, a lot, post#31 and #37 well said! Are you the only one that understands me, i think i typed in english? Anyway, you all can notice the "quotes" around "the muscle". I didn't even come out and say "Japan has muscle cars..." so don't call my thread stupid. From what i know, a true muscle car is a production car with a lot of power, way more than the norm, dating to before the crisis of 1973. But the term "muscle" can be used as an allusion and refer to any later cars that reprsent that distinction in their current sphere, aka the "muscle cars" of Europe, those european production cars offering the most power and performance out of the whole plethera. The determination of what counts as elite performance can undoubtedly be a quarter mile mark. So there can be modern domestic muscle, and modern Japanese muscle. Obviously the aren't muscle cars absolutely, they are muscle cars relatively. And most Sports cars are exotic expensive two-seaters, 4-seaters are sports coupes. Anyway, all I was originally asking was pretty much is what cars are the big players out of all Japanese cars.

[youngvr4]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

justacruiser is right despite the fact that many people xall them muscle cars only some of them were. The rest were pony cars despite their engine

mustang, cuda, challenger they were all pony cars

a charger on the other would be a muscle car


i used to confuse them too till polygon explain it to me

now in know way am i calling anyone a liar or am i being stubborn but, my dad was really into the muscle car era he had a road runner hemi. asking most people or lots of people if a mustang boss was a muscle car or shelby gt 500 or a challenger most or lots would say yes. even my dad.

i mean thats like saying my vr4 is not a sports car its a touring car and also with the 350z ok thats what they called it but by all means its a sports car by performance and strength. and actually more of a sports car then most sports cars.

like i said i'm not tryna be stubborn at all but i'm sticking to what i believe and lots of others, mustang is a pony car but by all performance definition it is THE DEFINITION OF AMERICAN MUSCLE!

[burnout555]

What do u guys think of an s2000 and the new g35? even tho the honda is a N/A 4 cylinder, it's what jap muscle seems like to me.

[dayna240sx]

Originally Posted by Lachean

And the RX-7 is Mid-engine because it lies between the front and rear axle. Just because the engine is infront of you doesnt mean its not a mid-engine...

No, the rx-7 is front engine. The engine is in front of the fire wall.

[il_3abee6]

i live in kuwait and we get camaros and mustangs, true muscle versions with the same engines (only better ) , built to be sold in GCC countries, these cars arent available in the US, there are lots of them, its because we dont have the 400 Cubic Inch limit laws, we get em up to 450 Cu and its legal to install custom 500+ Cu engines for the street , i LOVE kuwait, they r monsters they pump out 350+ HP while stock and the lumina is RWD

[il_3abee6]

and if any german car would be muscle it would be the E55 it would smoke the Sl 600 any day

[youngvr4]

and a 427 cobra would smoke a gto, doesnt mean gto isn't a muscle car