Questions for the knowledgable: Type R Integra

[mattyoung33]

DONT BAN B16EJ1, I have gotten tons of information of the 92+ civic forum from him. Ive seen these other moderators names maybe like once before? Yet B16EJ1 fills us not as smart honda enthusiasts with information daily on all sorts of things. If you ban him I think we will be at a great loss. Knowing that no moderators even say anything in our forum anyway. Instead of trying to decide if he should be banned or not, you should be trying to decide if he should be a moderator or not! I think many other ppl feel the same way...

[Ricochet]

Originally Posted by mattyoung33

"Winning against a Saturn is like beating up a kid with downs syndrome."

If you're going to quote somebody at least use their (my) name

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by esp

what is the reason i have lasted this long?

I was making a point that you wouldn't have lasted this long if you were as close to the ass that B16EJ1 is trying to call you out as, since I pointed HIM out, and he's saying..."Look at them! They act like me! Why am I the one being called out?"

He's basically saying you and Ricochet is as much of an ass to newbies as he is, which I disagree with.

[Ricochet]

thanks b16ej1.
You should probably just leave this thread alone, your hole's getting deeper..

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by mattyoung33

DONT BAN B16EJ1, I have gotten tons of information of the 92+ civic forum from him. Ive seen these other moderators names maybe like once before? Yet B16EJ1 fills us not as smart honda enthusiasts with information daily on all sorts of things. If you ban him I think we will be at a great loss. Knowing that no moderators even say anything in our forum anyway. Instead of trying to decide if he should be banned or not, you should be trying to decide if he should be a moderator or not! I think many other ppl feel the same way...

Fuckin' A. B16EJ1 may have a bad attitude, but then again so do a lot of people. Mostly what I see in these forums is a COMPLETE lack of "leadership" and organization, as I have seen "mods" run amock, insulting people, jacking threads, and going soooo far off topic, and completely ignore the fact that there are specialized forums. I mean shit, before everyone starts jumping up and down on a useful members ass, why don't the moderators spend sometime trying to square away the forum and get some of the tech questions out of JDM, and put them in the tech forum, and the general civic questions out of tech and put them in the 92+ forum, and so forth. It wouldn't take more than a couple hours to go through and completely get everything where it goes. Maybe try policing some of the absolutely useless threads that you KNOW are going to cause nothing but a flame war.

And carnut, get over it, I mean you have already stooped to arguing with a member in public, which really doesn't look good for a moderator, all this should have been handled in a PM. And it wouldn't have been so bad, except all the "your a pompous ass", and "your ego is too big" comments, and then comments about your own knowledge, and experiance, and the fact that you can have him banned, IMO your ego is also running abit amock.

Anyway, I hope the original poster can take something useful away from this thread, instead of the impression of a bunch of bickering bitches.

[Miataracer]

hmm... there is a lot of truth in that previous post right there...

[ra227]

This is exactly right. But I do think that sometimes the attitude is not needed...just say it in a more constructive ways.

[esp]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I was making a point that you wouldn't have lasted this long if you were as close to the ass that B16EJ1 is trying to call you out as, since I pointed HIM out, and he's saying..."Look at them! They act like me! Why am I the one being called out?"

He's basically saying you and Ricochet is as much of an ass to newbies as he is, which I disagree with.

alright thanks for the clarification, i was just thinking wtf??????

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by jcrx

Fuckin' A. B16EJ1 may have a bad attitude, but then again so do a lot of people.

So that's his excuse then? They can do it, why can't I? I call it when I see it. Ask Ricochet. I've done it with him too. He just doesn't take it the same as B16EJ1. Meaning, he'll just digest it and move on, regardless of whether he agrees or not.

B16EJ1 has a superiority complex in here. Because he has "helped" a lot of you with technical questions and such, he feels he's the pro-master of the Honda forums, and can call-out other members willy-nilly. FYI, if any of you know dblovrhdcamron or hybridsol, those two have been here for years, and especially hybridsol, know more engine-tech and tricks than most of us will ever learn in a lifetime. I have NEVER seen either of them talk-down on a member like B16EJ1 has...even in an argument.

Originally Posted by jcrx

Mostly what I see in these forums is a COMPLETE lack of "leadership" and organization, as I have seen "mods" run amock, insulting people, jacking threads, and going soooo far off topic, and completely ignore the fact that there are specialized forums.

If you see any of this sort of activity going on, even from me, feel free to PM/E-Mail admin, if you're so concerned.

As for leadership, there's a reason why we have an age-limit here. Everybody is at least somewhat expected to act civil. If you feel there is something that is out of place, you have "report post" option, besides E-Mail and PM. Mods aren't paid for what they do, and can't be expected to be there all the time to catch things. Like I said, if you're so concerned...

Originally Posted by jcrx

I mean shit, before everyone starts jumping up and down on a useful members ass, why don't the moderators spend sometime trying to square away the forum and get some of the tech questions out of JDM, and put them in the tech forum, and the general civic questions out of tech and put them in the 92+ forum, and so forth. It wouldn't take more than a couple hours to go through and completely get everything where it goes. Maybe try policing some of the absolutely useless threads that you KNOW are going to cause nothing but a flame war.

Go back to my last statements above.

As for "useful members", which I'm assuming you are referring to B16EJ1, I never said he wasn't. But how much "usefulness" can you get out of a member who bitches out newcomers before they even get to know the board? Like it or not, when you reply in this board to someone that doesn't know it, you represent the board, and whatever impression that person gets out of you, is the impression a person takes away about the board. Unfair, but true.

I asked him to tone it down, and he gets defensive and offensive at the same time. Is it because I was wrong? Or is it because he wanted to justify his atittude?

Originally Posted by jcrx

And carnut, get over it, I mean you have already stooped to arguing with a member in public, which really doesn't look good for a moderator, all this should have been handled in a PM. And it wouldn't have been so bad, except all the "your a pompous ass", and "your ego is too big" comments, and then comments about your own knowledge, and experiance, and the fact that you can have him banned, IMO your ego is also running abit amock.

I never said he can't be here. He'll just have to re-sign as one of the n00bs that he's so derisive about. He's easy to jump down somebody's throat if he feels that they're either disagreeing with him or was wrong in the first place. Instead of educating with his "superior knowledge" he uses that as an excuse to be an asshole.

I don't know how many of you he's PM'd or what-not and whined to about this thread, and at this point I don't really care. He might actually be a cool person, but as a forum contributor, he's far from that, from what I've been presented with...and that's the bottomline. No matter how much he knows about Hondas. The smartest kid in school will still get kicked-out if he keeps spitting at the kids he doesn't like, or cops an attitude to school staff...no matter how helpful/friendly he is to the ones he does like.

Originally Posted by jcrx

Anyway, I hope the original poster can take something useful away from this thread, instead of the impression of a bunch of bickering bitches.

I hope so too.

[jcrx]

If I was a mod here I would take a vested interest in the site I represent and do my best to help it stay on track so people stay interested in it and it could grow. I mod on two other forums, and take pride in the advice I give, even if sometimes it is wrong, no one's perfect, and we all learn something new everyday. If I spent time reporting post, and PM'ing mods about misplaced threads, I would be 1. doing their job, and 2. spending more time than I like to on the intraw3bbi3s. I understand that you don't get paid, I don't either, at least not on a internet forum, but someone seeking advice on building a civic motor, and they post it in the appearance forum doesn't help them, and people who have no clue tend to just spew out some bullshit, that is false, or just useless. I'm not excusing B16EJ1 for being an ass, I am trying to point out that he isn't alone, and that the mods are also guilty. As a matter of fact, on this forum I rarely see mods get into talks unless they are "attacked" and then they feel it is their obligation to whore the hell out of the thread defending their actoins. I am not new here either, I used to be registered under another name, that I have long forgotten, hence this one, and these are not new issues.

[Miataracer]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I never said he can't be here. He'll just have to re-sign as one of the n00bs that he's so derisive about.

From an outside perspective this quote makes it seem like you are trying to play god and teach him a lesson. If you are going to ban someone it should serve more of a purpose than teaching someone a lesson. If you are a mod and you don't like what someone is saying I do agree that you should do something about it. Things like that would actually be good around here as a lot of people say things that need not be said every day. I do however think the best way to have handled this could have been to PM B16 so it is a private matter instead of calling him out in public. If that happened to me I would get defensive/offensive as well. Don't you think you would? Would you rather have someone put you on the spot and call you an ass in public or pull you aside and say hey man whats this all about?

Thats just my here...

[ra227]

Originally Posted by Miataracer

If you are a mod and you don't like what someone is saying I do agree that you should do something about it. Things like that would actually be good around here as a lot of people say things that need not be said every day.

I agree but what exactly would be feasible if the PM does not work. I think that when any authority is given to a person than there is gonna be conflict when they try to lay the smack down either way, be it PM or in public- although PM would have been better. Lets be real almost everyone on here w/ a large number of posts and/or knowledge has an ego- so when two finally butt heads you get this mess. I agree w/ you though. Just my

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Miataracer

From an outside perspective this quote makes it seem like you are trying to play god and teach him a lesson. If you are going to ban someone it should serve more of a purpose than teaching someone a lesson. If you are a mod and you don't like what someone is saying I do agree that you should do something about it. Things like that would actually be good around here as a lot of people say things that need not be said every day. I do however think the best way to have handled this could have been to PM B16 so it is a private matter instead of calling him out in public. If that happened to me I would get defensive/offensive as well. Don't you think you would? Would you rather have someone put you on the spot and call you an ass in public or pull you aside and say hey man whats this all about?

Thats just my here...

And what about the people he ridicules in public? Should I tell him to ridicule them in PMs then?

He ridicules them in public so he can feel like "the big man on campus"...this is why he needed to be told-off in public. Whatever you think of me, I'm already a mod, and have no need to display power to know I have it. That's MY 2 cents.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I'm already a mod, and have no need to display power to know I have it. That's MY 2 cents.

That sounds a bit pompous to me, IMO. What I'm reading from that is "I'm a mod, and I'll do as I please, if you don't like it then take a hike and leave..." That's NOT the kind of mod I like having around on here. I'm a pretty sensable mod myself. Sure I've gone at it with a few members here and there in forums, but I don't do it to show that I'm a mod and I can do as I please. Heck, I've even gone at it with B16EJ1 before and set him straight to where there wasn't much he could say back. Did that make me want to ban him? No. It's all on how you deal with the matter at hand. I don't agree with talking down on a n00b, we're here to point poeple in the right directions and help them out with their questions. If you don't like seeing simple or what may seem like dumb questions, then no one is holding a gun to your head to answer them, stick around on the forums, or even read the question in the first place. At this point in time carrrnuttt, you sound like a little kid in a sandbox defending an opinion about someone else that really no one in here agrees with. Maybe you have a personal beef with him, who knows. At this point who really cares. But if he's to be banned, it needs to be on the concensus, and NOT on your own personal interest.

And above all, this thread is rediculously beyond OT for what it began for, and I think should be closed up ASAP for the better interest of AF as a whole.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by SilverY2KCivic

That sounds a bit pompous to me, IMO. What I'm reading from that is "I'm a mod, and I'll do as I please, if you don't like it then take a hike and leave..." That's NOT the kind of mod I like having around on here. I'm a pretty sensable mod myself. Sure I've gone at it with a few members here and there in forums, but I don't do it to show that I'm a mod and I can do as I please. Heck, I've even gone at it with B16EJ1 before and set him straight to where there wasn't much he could say back. Did that make me want to ban him? No. It's all on how you deal with the matter at hand. I don't agree with talking down on a n00b, we're here to point poeple in the right directions and help them out with their questions. If you don't like seeing simple or what may seem like dumb questions, then no one is holding a gun to your head to answer them, stick around on the forums, or even read the question in the first place. At this point in time carrrnuttt, you sound like a little kid in a sandbox defending an opinion about someone else that really no one in here agrees with. Maybe you have a personal beef with him, who knows. At this point who really cares. But if he's to be banned, it needs to be on the concensus, and NOT on your own personal interest.

And above all, this thread is rediculously beyond OT for what it began for, and I think should be closed up ASAP for the better interest of AF as a whole.

You're missing my point, and completely misunderstood what I meant. I first said that I felt that he needed to display dominance in public to satisfy some need for self aggrandizement, which then, IMO, needed a public response.

This was in response to what was said about the fact that I should've done things in PM. Besides, none of you, except for the parties involved, know who I have, or haven't talked to in PM about anything.

My remark which you quoted, refers back to public issue. It was to explain that I have no such need to broadcast dominance in public, "pound my chest" as they say, to remind everybody that I am a mod...which I don't care if people knew or not anyhow. I would've reacted the EXACT same way to his arrogance, mod or not. All you have to do is do a quick search of ALL my posts to see that I have always followed this pattern.

I see that you are following the same pattern as me, especially in saying what you said, wrong as it is, in the open...because you felt you had to...as opposed to PMing me, or calling me out in the mod forum.

I have defended Fords against Hondas, I have defended Hondas against Fords, I have defended the Skyline against Muscleheads, I have defended Muscle against "Import Power" fanatics...so on so forth.

It's a community where we are all supposed to start out equal. We all started somewhere. It irks the living hell out of me when somebody, who obviously is starting out himself, asks a simple question, stupid it may be, and some know-it-all jumps out of nowhere and calls him or his question "stupid" in a derogatory manner.

The question wouldn't be stupid...heck, there wouldn't be a question at all, if he knew what he needed to know in the first place.

It all started out with me asking B16EJ1 as to who gave HIM the right to call ANYBODY an "amateur n00b", when I know mechanical engineers who wouldn't even give a remark like that. I asked, that, and that's it. I then proceeded to partially answer the part of the newbies questions which I felt hadn't even been covered yet.

B16EJ1 in return, not only managed to ridicule what answer I gave back to the member as being of "no help", he failed to see where my point was.

Here's my response to his ridicule of the member:

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

AND who designated YOU the "old professional"? Who gave you the "I know Hondas better so I can call you an amateur" diploma?

I have been dealing with Hondas since 1992, and I have MANY things I have yet to learn about them. I have never called anybody else an amateur, because until the day I work as a Honda tech, I AM an amateur. So, unless you ARE a Honda technician, or engineer, refrain from those comments.

As for the original question, I'll answer the six-speed portion of it....

Notice, I simply asked him to REFRAIN. No flame, I even denigrated myself as an amateur too.

His response:

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

Even a moderator is of no help here. I've posted answers and you've posted K20 swaps in a Type R. So to you a Honda tech is some a pro? Pathetic I swear. Most of my boys are Honda tech's here in WA and believe me Honda techs know didly but go ahead and bow down the next time you see one. I brought answers and you come in picking my posts apart. Thanks for not helping anyone here.

How do you NOT construe that as being arrogant? I can just imagine his backlash if I weren't a mod. {B16EJ1}"Oh, you're no help, but I am!"{/B16EJ1} Jeesus. {B16EJ1}"I brought in answers and you didn't!"{/B16EJ1}

So please, next time you want to question my practices, please do so in the mod forum, where it's supposed to be, or in PM...or otherwise go over the whole thing first.