ITR or H22

[ra227]

Hey acid... I know out here in CA that you can ask questions through the Department of Motor Vehicles-DMV- I assuming they have those in PA. Yeah I don't remember the title but I was talking to some one else about this topic- its in this forum probably the second or third page but its all for CA though but it says what I will need to do and it might be similar for you. I still haven't been able to speak to DMV directly yet and everytime I call CHP they say they will transfer me but the guy is never there or I get hung up on. I'm getting a lot of connections thrown at me so I really want to start to save if it can be street legal.

[ra227]

That one post I was talking about was "cali laws on engine mods" page 4 of this forum as of this post. You could check it out just to see what you might be in for but then again... it might not help at all cuz your laws could be way different. But hope it does.

[AciDriveHB]

Originally Posted by ra227

That one post I was talking about was "cali laws on engine mods" page 4 of this forum as of this post. You could check it out just to see what you might be in for but then again... it might not help at all cuz your laws could be way different. But hope it does.

Hey thanks for the info. Yeah I tried going to the DMV, they refered me to the main DMV in Harrisburg (state capital), but still never got any luck. The only good news I got, like I said, was when I was talking to that police officer and he told me about the West Law book. Figured I would ask around to see what other people have to say. Because I am seriously thinking of moving states just to find some place that aren't so strict with car mods and what not. But either way I want to stay legal in whatever state I'm in. I'll take a look at the CA rules, though it sounds like you people out there get it up the ass with rules and regulations when it comes to modding your car.

~AciD

[MexSiR]

Well I also wanted to swap an h22 into a coupe or a hatch but it doesent seem right...too much problems.

A b16a1 - b16a2 can give you some massive power. I know a guy that has an SiR with a b16a2 with a turbo and he is pulling 253 WHP on the dyno. A rough guess is 290-310 at the crank.
You can vortech or comptech supercharge a b16 and usually it gives less power but depens on how much you modify your engine. This guy in Canada that I know of has his b16 supercharged and he is pulling 225 WHP. He does the 1/4 mile in 14.1. The turbo guy runs 9 psi and has done 13.4.

Just to give you an idea.

[Black91si]

I have a clip of a ek type-r on turbo...Doing a dyno test.. ITs PUSHING 712 HORSE POWER..if u want the clip post your email

[ra227]

Originally Posted by Black91si

I have a clip of a ek type-r on turbo...Doing a dyno test.. ITs PUSHING 712 HORSE POWER..if u want the clip post your email

My web address in my profile- I'm interested.

Yeah Acid... you have no idea how uptight the law makers in CA are. And the frequent hooked-up-civic-horrific-car-crash-due-to-racing doesn't help either. The best way to not get hassled is to go for the sleeper look- Rims, dropped, maybe lip or sideskirts. Then cops don't really bother you they think your just another ricer.

[edman24]

ok man ive been reading this thing for the past 10 minutes and i see a lot of stuff that is all mixed up. lets cover a few bases here.

1. CTR an ITR motors should not be turbocharged. whether or not they can handle it is besides the point. they were designed to be all motor and they should be kept that way. if you can not appreciate that then go evaluate your appreciation in design and then talk.

2.H22's are heavy and do affect handling but not so bad as people say. with some minor counter balancing and suspension tweaks it shouldnt be a problem.

3.H22's also can have large amounts of power when turbo or supercharged but can not take much in stock form. any more then 8psi is pushing it on a stock h series. build it up and 500+hp is not too far away.

4. engine swaps in cali are legal as long as the engine is newer then the car itself, passes smog, and as long as it does not contain illegal (non-CARB certified) parts.

5.you want 300-400whp on a 4 cylinder honda motor and pass smog and all regulations in california? you are dreaming my friend. there is no way that will happen. 300-400 hp is not very hard to come by but is impossible to stay street legal. that will require removing the cat or using a high flow one which neither will allow you to pass smog and in some cases not even visual inspection.

6.keep your desires in perspective. want to keep your car legal? dont touch it, leave it alone and drive, especially in cali. even stupid things like lights or suspension can be illegal so to try and get by every law would be impossible.

in short either do like the rest of us do and find your way around rules or leave well enough alone. i hate doing this to threads because it seems to kill them unless some moron tries to argue with me but i dont like seeing 3 pages of the same crap or useless crap over and over again.

hope this helped. anything else i should cover?

[ra227]

First-off if you read the post you should know that very early I decided not to go w/ the CTR or the ITR because I wanted to go the FI route. You will also realize that I was very compromising and said that was my goal- obviously if the closest I can get is say only 240whp than I will be satisfied. Also notice that unlike other people I haven't posted to many other questions. I think of actual threads started its like 3. I do this because I try to read/research some things instead of asking every little question I have on here. I made my decision a while ago on what engine and modifications I wanted. Other people, of which you are one, kept the post going so, not being an asshole, I replied. Having read obviously only this one thread of mine you do not know what the hell you are talking about- I know ways around the laws and have commented on that in other threads. Your #5 is equally retarded because I have done research and can get pretty damn close if not obtain somewhere in my range. All I wanted to do is pass smog every two years as far as what happens in between visits is of no concern. Of course I would probably have to do a little switching around of things to pass once it comes up- but it is possible. If you want to help- help. If you want to come off as an asshole and adopt a condescending tone in your post- then do that. Don't do both, which is what it seems you have tried to do. Don't think since you read this one thread that you know what I'm thinking, know my level of intelligence, or know what my final decisions are or will be. It is people like you that half read things and assume they understand someone elses thoughts that I don't like to post. I was talking about a engine swap being legal and a turbo being legal- thats it. Never talked about lights, lowering, or any of that other BS so why even mention that. Not trying be a dick or anything.

[edman24]

if this is the type of attitude you give when being helped then as far as im concerned you can kiss my ass. i wanted to cover all bases that were discussed in this thread. whether or not you previously decided to go against the ITR or CTR motor is irrelevant. it was still being mentioned thats why i covered it. also no you can not smog a 350 whp honda motor without changing things around. that was my point. if you were to change things for the smogging process of course you could pass. i was basing that comment on the fact that you seem so worried about laws and regulations.

i could care less about you and your other posts. and as far as your "research" goes you must not be very good at it. why ask a question like this if you know how to research. this topic has been covered a thousand times and you should be able to easily answer your question without having to ask us, since you seem to know so much about the subject.

when did i say i know what you are thinking? when did i question your intelligence? stop being so f*cking defensive and take what people say in context. not what you would like to make of it. i was trying to help and to any normal person with half a penis could have realized that. but i guess you didnt understand what i was saying cause you were too preoccupied with the size of your tiny dick.

stop being such a prick and grow up. we all help eachother here and if thats too much for you to handle go cry to your mommy.

[civicgs-r]

i have a 95 civic with gsr swap and i'm runnin 13.2 all motor...all u need is obd-1, spoon internals such as...high compretion pistons, cams. act stage 2 clutch, 4-2-1 headers and intake... and i ran 13.2...oh yeah...and i have 2 1/2 piping.gsr is the way to go

[ra227]

I have no attitude I simply said that if you are gonna help than do that and do not be a jerk about it. Anyway its easy to get pissed-off at each other and take each other out of context when we are both looking only at a computer screen.If all you were trying to do is help than I appreciate the help. Yes I have done research but never said how much- plus I wanted opinions and I guess I'm getting that. I do not claim to know everything cuz I know I dont. Your post seemed a tad condescending to me. But since we are on a computer I can't tell what tone your are adopting. If I was wrong you could have easily said that w/o all the name-calling BS. I didn't know your context thats why I commented on it. I made it perfectly clear-at least I thought- that I was not trying to be an asshole. I do not live w/ my mom and I am not a teenager so if you want me to take things in context you should do the same. You all do not help each other here and you know you have seen people go off and treat others like idiots for no reason- I'm fairly new and I have seen it. And if your point was my point than we got more in common than we think. My dick is a very good size and I have no complaints and neither does my girl. So by your response you obviously misunderstood me too. But I personally do not think that is anything to attack you about. I find no point in arguing. <=This means I am cool

[ra227]

Originally Posted by civicgs-r

i have a 95 civic with gsr swap and i'm runnin 13.2 all motor...all u need is obd-1, spoon internals such as...high compretion pistons, cams. act stage 2 clutch, 4-2-1 headers and intake... and i ran 13.2...oh yeah...and i have 2 1/2 piping.gsr is the way to go

Hey do you know of anyone w/ a turbo, or even supercharged, gsr in a civic.

[edman24]

Originally Posted by ra227

I have no attitude I simply said that if you are gonna help than do that and do not be a jerk about it. Anyway its easy to get pissed-off at each other and take each other out of context when we are both looking only at a computer screen.If all you were trying to do is help than I appreciate the help. Yes I have done research but never said how much- plus I wanted opinions and I guess I'm getting that. I do not claim to know everything cuz I know I dont. Your post seemed a tad condescending to me. But since we are on a computer I can't tell what tone your are adopting. If I was wrong you could have easily said that w/o all the name-calling BS. I didn't know your context thats why I commented on it. I made it perfectly clear-at least I thought- that I was not trying to be an asshole. I do not live w/ my mom and I am not a teenager so if you want me to take things in context you should do the same. You all do not help each other here and you know you have seen people go off and treat others like idiots for no reason- I'm fairly new and I have seen it. And if your point was my point than we got more in common than we think. My dick is a very good size and I have no complaints and neither does my girl. So by your response you obviously misunderstood me too. But I personally do not think that is anything to attack you about. I find no point in arguing. <=This means I am cool

thats more like it. sorry if i offended you but i dont like newbies who think they know everything and cant take others opinions when they ask for it. not saying youre a newb just making a comment. i guess i did misunderstand and yes i have seen people just try to be jackasses so its all cleared up now.

[mr2mitch]

my boy has a turbo ITR with a T3/T4 hybrid it put down 255fwhp at 4 1/2 psi tuned on the dyno with stock compression etc etc. The B18c GSR motor is the best motor to turbo becuase of its head flow charcteristics. my boys hatch has b16 with a greddy 18g and hes putting down about 210fwhp un tuned at 7psi but his engine is fully built with and AEBS bomb proof kit etc etc and kills GTs,SSs,all those. The b16 flows really well but it depends on which one you get thier are atleast 7 diffrent ones. A1,A2,Sir,etc etc thiers one that came out of the Xsi integra back in the day.later
mitch

[ra227]

Hey edman24 thanks for exhibiting a level of maturity that is often rare in conflicts like these. And just for the record I don't think I know everything about cars. When it comes to cars I admit that I do not know that much and always say that I am still learning. I was just saying that I read other info., which could be good or bad info., before asking questions here- But I know what you mean.

Hey Mitch that sounds good but I know it was expensive as hell to make that ITR turbo ready then get it professionally dyno tuned. But I thought that the ITR c:r was to high to boost due to it being built to be an N/A motor. I think even the mags. I read where rich as companies turbo charge the ITR they lower the compression ratio- but I could be wrong.What are prices to get a car professionally dyno tuned? Yeah one of my friends has/had a crx w/ a B16, USDM SI, engine in it. Not built or anything just a motor swap and it was quick- but what decent motor in a crx isn't you know.My other friend has a Japanese CRX that we put the original JDM B16 into but haven't seen it run yet.