japanese vs. domestic

[Polygon]

Originally posted by DemonZX
Opinions are like A$$Holes everybody has one> It really burns me up that grown people can argue about these things. Some people like chocolate some don't! You don't see people ragging them out and others making excuses. It really is ridiculous. You either like it or you don't, that is your own opinion. You don't have to make excuses for it, and you don't have to push it onto other people. I love muscle cars from all era's! You have your 60' & 70's huge V8 muscle cars, then you have your 90's muscle cars. They are the same thing, just different era's! I own a 95' 300ZX. A 90's muscle car. (300ZX, Supra, Rx7) these are the Chevelle's, 442's, and Challengers of the past. Then you go down the spectrum...you can beef up any car! In the past you had to buy the 5.7 liter V8 to get all that power out of a huge car. Now I have seen 4-bangers cranking out 500-600 hp in a car that weighs half as much. So, to each his own. The reason we are all in this forum, and members, is because we all love automobiles. Thats all that really matters!


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I saw this in another thread and I feel it applies here as well. Personally I like both but I am partial to domestic cars, but I still like both.

[bluevette74]

allright g20 ill watch my mouth, but you better watch other people as well. That guy that i called a faget clearly deserved it. he says "ya f**'n hater" whats that all about hunh, how come he doesnt get yelled at? Whats the dill?

[G-Forces]

We're (the mods) are watching everyone. I didn't notice that before but I'll keep my eye out. :right:

[F20C]

Originally posted by DigitalRacer
The new 2002 Toyota Supras are supposed too run 11's stock. They go supposedly go from 0-100 in 9.7 seconds. There are street legal cars that are pushing 1300 Hp. Just last month a 99 Supra, with 1300 Hp, and completely US street legal, set a bunch of records at the Utah Salt Flats for being the fastest US Street Legal car to run it at 249 mph. And its only got 6 cylinders. So tell me now, how many 6 cylindered domestic pieces-of-crap can contain over 700 hp, still be US street legan, and go 249 mph. NONE!!!!, Ya fu**'n hater.

Where does this suppose SUPRA exsist?

[GTS-4 Ben]

In fairy land.. until it is out then it's crap..

[F20C]

He just makes me laugh because he is so INFORMATIVE!!

[RazorGTR]

I would like to just mention a car that here in New Zealand purchased for @$11,000 USD that has run in the mid 10's quite a bit. It is an R32 GTR owned by Croydon Wholesalers. Now the kiwi's know about Reece's R32 but he has spent a heap in that car, maybe near $40,000 USD but has recently run a 9.88 1/4.
While some may say so what, consider this. It is streel legal, and he did it on D.O.T. tires !
The same with the Croydon GTR. The biggest problem with that Croydon car is he keeps destroying very expensive gearboxes but recently put in a hollenger, so that is not a hp gaining mod.

At the end of the day if you do not know what is out there don't go there. Assumptions just make you look foolish.

BTW the HKS R33 drag car ran a 7.57 1/4 without it being tubed! As a matter of fact it was done on 9" wide tires at all the corners! lets see an American car do that or any RWD car do that.

Before you go off your rocker and flame me for being a stupid forigener I was born and raised in Chicago for 31 years before I came to New Zealand.

[Gonthrax]

Wow, I get all excited when I read these Domestic vs Japanese debates and I have a few things to say on the subject.

I live in Bowling Green Kentucky, home of the Vette and I see 50 of them every day and they are nice cars, the zo6(V8) rocks because you can buy it stock for like 55k and have a fast torque monster. Take the Viper(V10), another monster, but these are all cars born out of the Hot Rod era with big blocks, hemis and burnouts. Look at a Skyline GTR(S6), here we have a straight 6 Twin Turbo car that you can buy new (And a V-Spec version might I add) for about 45-50k US. Or you could spend 28,386.12 USD and have this R33 V-Spec. http://www.ralliartuk.com/stock/detailU285.html
Any way, back to the subject at hand, Low end torque and drag racing vs. high end torque, AWD and street racing. I'm not going to crap on any one's personal likes and dislikes but I would like every one to keep an open mind and while you may prefer a Vette over a GTR, I would much rather have a GTR. Reasons you ask? For one, handling. When you have such a wonderful AWD system (ATTESSA I think? give or take a few T's or S's) and HICAS 4 wheel steering the GTR is a dream to take through the twisties. Also, the fact that you are running twin turbos gives you gobs of mid to high end power to downshift and then power our of those curves. Another reason I would rather have a GTR insted of a Vette is just because I live in the US and there arn't many Skylines over here. Instead of driving by and people not even noticing my shiny new Vette because they see 20 of um every daythey would turn, look, and say "Damn, what was that? I've never seen one of those!"
Any how, all this is neither here nor there because in the end it comes down to personal prefrence and I just happen to like the idea of AWD, turbos, boost controlers, and ungodly specs :P
Just to add the biased section, take a sec and look up the specs on a new R34 V-spec, I think those of you who don't know what they are will be supprised. Also check out some videos of those wonderful skylines :P Here's one of my favorite skylines owned by MarioGTR (I beleave) from this board check out the GTR Videos on this site http://www.exvitermini.com/

Ok, well thats my rant, I'm done

[hakka]

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch
Theres a reason no street legal import will do an under 10 quarter, it's because they're efficent. Hell, a Skyline GT-R will blow the doors off any, and i mean any american made car ever, in a 1/4 mile, on teh track or the street, doesn't matter. But you see, they aren't legal in teh states for the same reason a Evolution isn't, the states has this weird law where a car's engine cannot produce more then something like 100 HP per litre of the engine. American engines are the worst in the world. The japanese are incrediably skilled at pulling a very large ammount of horsepower out of a very small engine. Look at a Lancer, it uses a 2.0 Litres in-line 4 and it has 270 BHP. Costs $25,000 and weighs about 3000lbs.

A ford mustang GT costs the same, uses a MUCH bigger V8, weighs 300lbs more, and produces 10 BHP less then the lancer.

The reason imports need that little bit of extra money is because it's

Okay....contrary to popular belief, a stock Skyline GT-R will not blow the doors of any stock domestic. Any stock vette stay with one in the quarter mile, top speed, or through the curves (according to lateral acceleration data and slalom tests). I'm not even talking aboutthe high performance model Vettes like the L-88 (stock low 11's in the quarter), the ZR1 (12s in the quarter, top speed close to 190mph) or the Z06 (low twelves stock, 176mph top speed, 1.02 Gs lat. accel.)
I am pretty sure there is no US law concerning bhp/L (look at the US legal S2000), only maximum bhp. I think it is limited to 276bhp...if I am mistaken correct me, please. Also, american engines aren't necessarily the worst. American companies can manufacture 4 bangers with relatively high HP, look at the cavalier Z24 (yes I know, not a great example). Also, Saturn (a division of GM), is considering producing turbo versions of its SC1 and SC2 cars.
Oh yeah, what is the torque of the Lancer? Probably less than the stang. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

[hakka]

Originally posted by GTS-4 Ben
12000 grand... damn thats alot of cash... LOL

Difference is, a 10s Japanese car like the GTR can still go around a corner at the end and is road legal and has road tires....

Heard of RH9.. all road tires under 10's.... fuck you will NEVER do that in an american car.

Ever heard of the Hennessey Viper 800T? It runs 9s in the quarter, top speed is over 200, and handles pretty damn well. Thats on road tires, too.

Its not that I don't like imports, I just prefer domestics. There are some pretty amazing imports out there, in particular the Skyline. I love Supra TTs, Rx-7s, 300ZX TTs and others, I just prefer domestics. Didn't want to leave the wrong impression

[moe182]

take a look at these (everyone)....one 1039bhp Supra, and another 800bhp Supra...

http://www.supercars.net/cars/1999@$Toyota%20Veilside@$Supra%20Limitedc.html

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2001@$Toyota%20AB-Flug@$Supra%20S900b.html

I dont care what you say, 1039bhp outta a 3.0 litre six is IMPRESSIVE to say the least....

[F20C]

CAptynCrunch what you said is pathetic. You really should know more about the cars before commenting.

[F20C]

hakka I must be the odd breed since I win races without torque :sun:.

[drift]

i have never seen a stock block Camaro run in the 9's before.

maybe it's due to the fact that you need to strengthen the internals or you'll bend a rod or twist a crank after 400hp. running fast is one thing, but it dont count if the car has to be towed off the finish line.

for $2000 in mods or whatever, the LS1 will get into the 12's, possibly 11's. down here in the south there's a lot of quick muscle cars, and if it were truly that cheap to run 9's, then every slack-jawed yocal here would have one... but they dont.

$1000 into a Supra will have it running side by side with a Camaro with the same amount of money invested.

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by drift
$1000 into a Supra will have it running side by side with a Camaro with the same amount of money invested.

I hope you dont mean new. You could get two Cameros that can run with a Supra for the price of a single Supra Turbo (new to new)

They are not the same type of cars, but soon as the mod arguement rears its ugly head, it just gets plain ugly.

As far as every yokel having one that runs in the 9s if it were easy - thats true about every car and every ricer/redneck/yokel/rube/wannabe out there.