More Power!!!!!!!!!1

[97wvmax]

alright, dont be bitches. jus move on.:smoka:

[MaximusGTR]

Originally posted by 97wvmax
alright, dont be bitches. jus move on.:smoka:

No, I'm agreeing with you dude. The roll eyes are for the people that do it Not you!!!

Come on man, you know I don't play them hoe games. I don't send indirect messages. I'm saying theres alot of people who get a mod for there car and read up on it online and just start adding up numbers

[bonzelite]

SkyMax dude is right >>>> adding bolt-on exhaust/intake toys are fun but they do not add engine h.p., they only "free up" what power the engine inherently already has but is being choked-up by the factory restrictions. same goes for hi-perf flywheels and clutches: they simply "facilitate" or "enable" the engine to express itself more freely. actual horsepower to the wheels is often much less than the "benchmark" of what it is rated, eg., the "280 hp" G35 coupe prolly only puts about 240, plus or minus, of that to the pavement. the rest is lost in wasted energy battling friction and slippage and restrictive factory devices.

real h.p. gains to the engine happen when you tear it apart and replace internals like cams, rods, pistons, or add turbo or other forced-induction devices. this means spending lots of money. there is no free lunch when it comes to modding, not really.

i have the CAI/y-pipe (on a 3rd gen Maxima) and everything-to-the-back setup. it DOES make a big difference, btw. yet i find myself always yearning for more power. nothing is ever good enough short of redoing the whole engine (but that is just me).

presently, i'm on a quest for the VG30ET, a VE30DE VLSD tranny, race clutch and flywheel >>> a significant power upgrade package to the puny 160 hp. stock benchmark i got. and i will build it up so phat. then i'm on to my 240SX/S14 project: gonna prolly do the SR20DET in that. or i may turbo the KA. don't know yet. SR revs higher as it has shorter stroke. prolly more fun. plus it has the "JDM" bragging rights going for it.

[thrasher]

actually, intake does add real hp to the engine, considering it forces more air into the engine than the stocker does

[Paonessa]

yeah and who the hell dyno's at the crank anyway? exhaust mods= increased f(r)whp

[Maxima Lover]

thnx alot for your advice guys, but one thing, personally, in my opinion, nos is for cheaters/losers. i mean come on, i want raw power, and just for curiosity, whats the biggest/ most powerful turbo that can be put into a max???

[thrasher]

Originally posted by Maxima Lover
thnx alot for your advice guys, but one thing, personally, in my opinion, nos is for cheaters/losers. i mean come on, i want raw power, and just for curiosity, whats the biggest/ most powerful turbo that can be put into a max???

yeah, i have always felt the same way about NOS, i would much rather go forced induction. i think the T3/T4 hybrid is the best turbo you can get, lots of guys running over 300fwhp with that bad boy

[bonzelite]

yeah. CAI technically does "up" the hp, as it is a type of forced-induction, pre-combustion device. the air is denser going into the manifold. .

the rest, as far as i see it, is not an "additive." the hi-flow exhaust stuff, like the y-pipe, is more of a liberator of inherent hp. i don't see how it adds anything. it facilitates the engine to use more of the horsepower it already has. like a lightweight flywheel and dual-friction clutch: those don't add jack sh*t --they make the engine more efficient. the result is more horsepower to the wheels, which is awesome, but not to the crank.

the question now is this >>> what if you replaced the crank pulley with a lightweight one? technically, that liberates the crank to spin more freely, like the lightweight flywheel idea, but is it considered an "additive" or a "liberator" of horsepower? i think it is a "liberator" as well, as the pulley is post-combustion.

[thrasher]

Originally posted by bonzelite
yeah. CAI technically does "up" the hp, as it is a type of forced-induction, pre-combustion device. the air is denser going into the manifold. .

the rest, as far as i see it, is not an "additive." the hi-flow exhaust stuff, like the y-pipe, is more of a liberator of inherent hp. i don't see how it adds anything. it facilitates the engine to use more of the horsepower it already has. like a lightweight flywheel and dual-friction clutch: those don't add jack sh*t --they make the engine more efficient. the result is more horsepower to the wheels, which is awesome, but not to the crank.

the question now is this >>> what if you replaced the crank pulley with a lightweight one? technically, that liberates the crank to spin more freely, like the lightweight flywheel idea, but is it considered an "additive" or a "liberator" of horsepower? i think it is a "liberator" as well, as the pulley is post-combustion.

there are two different places HP is measured. one is at the crank, the other is at the wheels. as paonessa said, exhaust mods and "post-combutsion" mods don't change crank HP, but they do change wheel HP, by getting MORE HP to the wheels, thus increasin wheel horsepower

[bonzelite]

got it. i began seeing the difference. it seems a lot of people who post things relating to horsepower do not specify what type. i have seen "....i payed a million rubles and did jackety jack blah blah blah to my car and now it has 500 h.p.... blah blah".

if the car has blah blah blah horsepower but it is being lost before it hits the pavement, then the number is very misleading. like the VE30DE is rated at "190 hp" but that seems like bullsh*t to me: you do not really get that. i mean, you do and you don't. if you have that "benchmark" but the flywheel weighs 700 lbs., then you experience the thrill of about 24 hp. to the wheels.

i imagine what really matters is how much is being put to the ground, because that is what is lastly felt and experienced. i still feel that noteworthy rises in horsepower happen when you start porting, honing, boring-out, turboing, upping the injector's cc's, chipping, etc...

bolt-ons seem like a gateway to that. but not a cure.

[Paonessa]

I've learned not to put too much faith into hp numbers. my friends Cl type s has 70 more hp and 25 lbs torque over my car. however his car weighs 3400 lbs and he has the hp robbing trip-tronic tranny. by the time he puts the power to the ground and his heavy ass car makes use of it,all said and done, he's not much farther ahead of me(stock vs stock). now with my intake, y pipe and cat-back i can beat him even though my car still aint making 260 hp at the crank or the wheels. my other friend has a 92 dx honda civic with a jdm b18c(civic SiRII) engine in it and even he can beat the acura with his 176 hp. hell he can probably beat me too.

it's not about who has the most power, like bonz said it's who puts it to the ground best. and a nice power/weight ratio doesn't hurt.

[Maxima Lover]

nice, and its cheap 2, hmmm, some1 told me that to put twin turbos in a car it has 2 b 6 cyl. or bigger, is that true? and can i put TT's in a maxy?

[FarbsMaxima]

No, i don't think TT fits, lots of argument over this. go to turbomaxima.com

[Spaniard]

Originally posted by Paonessa
I've learned not to put too much faith into hp numbers. my friends Cl type s has 70 more hp and 25 lbs torque over my car. however his car weighs 3400 lbs and he has the hp robbing trip-tronic tranny. by the time he puts the power to the ground and his heavy ass car makes use of it,all said and done, he's not much farther ahead of me(stock vs stock). now with my intake, y pipe and cat-back i can beat him even though my car still aint making 260 hp at the crank or the wheels. my other friend has a 92 dx honda civic with a jdm b18c(civic SiRII) engine in it and even he can beat the acura with his 176 hp. hell he can probably beat me too.

it's not about who has the most power, like bonz said it's who puts it to the ground best. and a nice power/weight ratio doesn't hurt.

Yea, Ive been thinking about it, and it seems to me the best money spent for acceleration after y-pipe and probably intake are very light 15" wheels. (course it dont look that good until WOT)

if you can save 8 pounds/wheel thats 32 pounds, but its said that a factor of 8 works on wheel weight when considering moment of inertia. That means you can reduce your apparent weight by 256 pounds! Thats like adding 16 HP to a stock 96. Its got to compliment the HP mods NICELY... I wish I could afford these 11 pound pups.

[thrasher]

Originally posted by Spaniard


Yea, Ive been thinking about it, and it seems to me the best money spent for acceleration after y-pipe and probably intake are very light 15" wheels. (course it dont look that good until WOT)

if you can save 8 pounds/wheel thats 32 pounds, but its said that a factor of 8 works on wheel weight when considering moment of inertia. That means you can reduce your apparent weight by 256 pounds! Thats like adding 16 HP to a stock 96. Its got to compliment the HP mods NICELY... I wish I could afford these 11 pound pups.

yeah, how the hell you gonna accelerate then??? those wheel will be way too light, and you'll smoke em, easy