Redline vs. LS1 round 2

[TorchedStealth]

There are no skylines here cause I live in the shithole of America. And the track has been cancelled the past five times cause of weather in this shithole. I'll post up the video of a guy with less mods then me running a 12.7 @109 to back up my statement when i get on my comp.

I namecalled due to the lack of respect in your first post.

[99onI95]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

You could write that same post with a VR-4 post in place. However, it is quite rare to happen. I have LS1 friends who will back me to the same extent. LS1's are mid to upper 13 second cars in general. A 12.9 is an exception and not the rule. Even slight mods can be a different story. Hell, people with just a boost controller ($70) have run 12.8's in a VR4 which to the untrained eye looks 100% stock. Even EVO's (not even the MR's) have been known to hit a 12.9 stock but I wouldn't consider this a rule. Just my

BTW, on a roll, I'd say this is completely believable even with a decient LS1 driver.

I'm not writing the post about a VR4, so don't say I can write the same post about a VR4 because I didn't. A VR4 is an AWD twin turbo automobile. I compared the LS1 to a four cylinder, front wheel drive, four door econo car.

Is your VR4 a four cylinder? Is it front wheel drive? Is it four door?

A VR4 is classified as a sports car, it is made to go fast. You're comparing apples to oranges by saying I could write the same post about the VR4. The two cars are totally different and even the insurance classifications are different.

If you want to believe this guy then it's all you. It doesn't matter to me. However, don't expect me to sit by and be passive while someone posts boloney on the forum.

[99onI95]

Originally Posted by TorchedStealth

There are no skylines here cause I live in the shithole of America. And the track has been cancelled the past five times cause of weather in this shithole. I'll post up the video of a guy with less mods then me running a 12.7 @109 to back up my statement when i get on my comp.

I namecalled due to the lack of respect in your first post.

Lack of respect? Because I don't agree with you?

I don't want to see another guys car, I want to see yours run the track, on video. I don't know the other guys mods and I can't verify them. I also can't verify you don't have a 100 shot of NOS when you run the strip with your car either, but atleast it's your car.

Here is my issue:

Saturn Ion Redline: 14.6 sec @ 98 mph

I know you have lots of mods, but I can't see you beating the cars you say you can beat. A modded LS1 should hit 12.9 with ease. That means you have to drop over a second and a half off your quarter mile time to compete, and that's a lot.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ed_line_page_2

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by 99onI95

I'm not writing the post about a VR4, so don't say I can write the same post about a VR4 because I didn't. A VR4 is an AWD twin turbo automobile. I compared the LS1 to a four cylinder, front wheel drive, four door econo car.

Is your VR4 a four cylinder? Is it front wheel drive? Is it four door?

A VR4 is classified as a sports car, it is made to go fast. You're comparing apples to oranges by saying I could write the same post about the VR4. The two cars are totally different and even the insurance classifications are different.

If you want to believe this guy then it's all you. It doesn't matter to me. However, don't expect me to sit by and be passive while someone posts boloney on the forum.

I have personally seen his car run through vids he has sent to my phone. I know he doesn't have a VR-4 either. However, he has a pretty well modified car that is light, and while I am have no doubt it would greatly suffer from lower speeds, can still pull quite hard from a roll. Heck even his friend with the LS1 would back him up, he's on here.

[TorchedStealth]

Thanks alex. I'm glad you can vouch for me.

99onI95, I said I don't have vids cause the track has been cancelled. Show me you running your LS1 the the speeds you claim. I know they are possible, but if you dont have any (which you may or may not) its the same arguement. I have been on here for years and I have no reason to lie to anyone. My car wasnt built to be a drag car, but with my carefully chosen mods it does pretty good from a roll. And I will admit I can shift faster than the camaro driver with my no lift shift, but he isnt a half bad driver either. What do you want me to do to prove my car is decent? I cant get to the track so name something else and ill try to prove it.

[VR43000GT]

He is just hellbent on what redlines run when they are stock. And I admit, it gets very tricky to keep good ET's when you are FWD, nobody is disputing that. However, from a roll, which this race was, it is feasible. A Civic is a Civic but there are some out there that would hand me my ass. Just because it is at the core an Ion, doesn't mean it is fast. His car is a sleeper with some fairly serious modification. I love LS1's but hate the nutswingers who need a video and documentation every time one loses a race.

[TorchedStealth]

I should do a quarter mile run on my interceptor. Its not perfectly accurate but it would be better than nothing I guess. And it would give me an excuse to try that function lol

[99onI95]

Originally Posted by TorchedStealth

Thanks alex. I'm glad you can vouch for me.

99onI95, I said I don't have vids cause the track has been cancelled. Show me you running your LS1 the the speeds you claim.

I never made claims about my personal car, I referenced others who made claims about their car and LS1 powered autos in general. I also referenced the stock time a LS1 f bod runs. I listed the sites argue with them.

I know they are possible, but if you dont have any (which you may or may not) its the same arguement. I have been on here for years and I have no reason to lie to anyone.

I have also been on this forum for years, since '04 I believe.

My car wasnt built to be a drag car, but with my carefully chosen mods it does pretty good from a roll. And I will admit I can shift faster than the camaro driver with my no lift shift, but he isnt a half bad driver either. What do you want me to do to prove my car is decent? I cant get to the track so name something else and ill try to prove it.

I have never stated your car wasn't decent. I only have doubts about your claim. It's a difference of opinion. I can't prove your car doesn't beat a Ferrari, all I can do is present facts, and the thoughts of others. Just because I don't believe it, it doesn't mean it isn't so, this same argument parallels thoughts on religion.

I am unbiased, the article I presented listed the Ion Redline as one the top 5 fastest cars in '07 between $20-25k, and that's from Car and Driver. Who cares if I didn't think your car is up to snuff? Apparently, Car and Driver does and they have a team of editors to come to that conclusion.

[TorchedStealth]

And i will admit when i was stock that same ls1 put a hurtin on me. Like im talking 6-7 cars from 40-110. And my best quarter mile time stock was 14.8 @99.7mph with a horrible 60'. I should have added 9-10mph to my trap speeds with my mods and with my drag radials hopefully will cut a very low 13, I just wish weather could have cooperated to allow the track to be open. It would be nice to see how well 18lbs of boost pulls me down the track

[turtlecrxsi]

Originally Posted by 99onI95

Kia Spectra, huh? I bet you sure know a lot about performance cars.

Let's take a look:
Kia Spectra
1.6L DOHC engine 107 hp
top speed: 115 mph

How long does it take that 107hp to get to a buck fifteen? I bet it's pretty quick, huh? Look, just because your car can smoke a Kia Rio with 93hp it doesn't mean it is fast.

Why are you even in this conversation? According to your signature you've never owned anything that has less than a 17 second quartermile time!

Woh! There Bronco Billy. May want to take it down a tad with your frustrations. And to set the facts straight my Spectra5 has a dohc 2.0L engine with 140hp. And nothing says I have to be a racer in order to contribute to a thread. I'm a fan of both the LS1 Camaro and the Ion Redline so why all the hate?

BTW, those are the cars I own now. I've also owned other cars. Not sure, but I think my Porsche 944 and Honda CRX Si (not stock) were faster than 17sec but I'll never know and it's not going to ruin my day either.

Have a nice day!

[99onI95]

Originally Posted by turtlecrxsi

Woh! There Bronco Billy. May want to take it down a tad with your frustrations. And to set the facts straight my Spectra5 has a dohc 2.0L engine with 140hp. And nothing says I have to be a racer in order to contribute to a thread. I'm a fan of both the LS1 Camaro and the Ion Redline so why all the hate?

BTW, those are the cars I own now. I've also owned other cars. Not sure, but I think my Porsche 944 and Honda CRX Si (not stock) were faster than 17sec but I'll never know and it's not going to ruin my day either.

Have a nice day!

YOU JUST CHANGED YOUR SIGNATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Dude, you now include the year model in your sig and "5 x."

Nice job, change your signature so you can turn around in attempt to frame somebody! Wow, you're a piece of work aren't you?

There is no need to address the rest of your post after you have just acted out in deviousness and deceit.

[99onI95]

Originally Posted by TorchedStealth

And i will admit when i was stock that same ls1 put a hurtin on me. Like im talking 6-7 cars from 40-110. And my best quarter mile time stock was 14.8 @99.7mph with a horrible 60'. I should have added 9-10mph to my trap speeds with my mods and with my drag radials hopefully will cut a very low 13, I just wish weather could have cooperated to allow the track to be open. It would be nice to see how well 18lbs of boost pulls me down the track

Yeah, with 18lbs you should be able to stomp most stock sportscars. Heck, you can put 21lbs of boost in a 2.3L ford ranger with a big Garrett and it will run 13.5 with slicks. It's too bad every other component in the drive train gets ripped apart from the strain.

Best of luck with the car, I'm sure your car is one of those I would bet against and go home with empty pockets.

[turtlecrxsi]

Originally Posted by 99onI95

YOU JUST CHANGED YOUR SIGNATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Dude, you now include the year model in your sig and "5 x."

Nice job, change your signature so you can turn around in attempt to frame somebody! Wow, you're a piece of work aren't you?

There is no need to address the rest of your post after you have just acted out in deviousness and deceit.

Sorry. But my sig has not changed. I added the Jeep pic a couple of days ago but that is about it. BTW, all Spectras in the USA come with the Beta 2.0L. So you were wrong. It happens. No big deal.

Torched, still would like to see pics of your engine. Oh yeah, and shame about what happened to your muffler.

[TorchedStealth]

Im still laughing about the muffler! And sorry man I'll get pics up soon I forgot!

[VR43000GT]

I need 18lbs. May be time to get some slightly used 13G's for $300-400 and just run stock fuel. I've been seriously considering it for how completely cheap it is. With stock fuel, ECU, no SAFC or anything people are running mid to low 12's pretty easy. On top of that, they don't blow up their mufflers! Just busting your balls man.