Springs messing up the handling of my P10 O.o

[uclandru]

Originally posted by P10DET
Well, despite what people have said about better handling, unless you run high rate coilovers with appropriate damperss, you can actually screw up the ride and handling due to bottoming.

George...for the p10 what would your opinion be as far as the best set up for suspension?? My intrax were not doing a good job with my car, so I took em out...when you say high rate coilovers and appopriate dampers what specifically would you recommend for a p10? If i were to ever lower my G, I would like to get a closer to stock feel.....

[greekman]

i got $50 says geo recommends ground controls and konis.

uclandru-if you want gc check out www.groupbuycenter.com they had them for around $450 about a week ago.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by greekman
i got $50 says geo recommends ground controls and konis.

Can I get in on that bet?

Actually, there isn't an easy Koni solution at the moment for the P10. For the P11 there is and I think the Konis would be good for that. For the P10 it's AGX. And yes, Ground Control coilovers.

I know it's an expensive solution, but most of the poor ride that comes with Eibachs comes from bottoming out. It can also lead to some crappy handling, although not as often as the bad ride.

With the higher rate springs you can use with the coilovers it's possible to get a better ride than with the Eibachs because you stay off the bumpstops. I though this was crazy, but my car rides almost as good as stock. I have to raise it up a little from where it is right now. It's a little too low because when I changed from 340/275 to 275/200 I raised it, but not enough. The top of the wheel is tucked and that's just a little too low. It still hits the bumpstops too often. I'm going to raise it between 1/4-1/2 inch (0.5-1.0 cm). Hopefully that will keep it off the bumpstops over all but the very worst bumps.

When we drove to and from the SE-R convention with the car loaded down and the 340/275 springs, it literally rode as good or better than stock. That wasn't just my opinion, but my wife's as well (and she wouldn't just say that). Unfortunately, when we took the additional weight out, the ride was a bit jiggly so that is why I went to the lower springs rates.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Geo, would you like me to give them a call and find out?

Yes please Sandy.

I asked them how the adjuster works (e.g. upper control arm or other method). I just want to have some idea before spending a bunch of money sight unseen. I don't want to steal their idea. That's what Stillen does.

I was looking for some idea of the shipping cost to The States as well.

I've worn the inside edge of two sets of tires prematurely and I attributed it to toe-out, but I supposedly had a couple of alignments done and I don't think both were bad, so I think it may be down to camber. Strange though since I don't know of anyone else with this problem with a lowered P10.

Anyway, a camber correction kit is cheaper than replacing tires (tyres ) prematurely.

[JustinP10]

I had quite a bit of negative camber (for a G20) with the intrax springs. but i never noticed it on the tires, but then again i only had the intrax on the car for maybe 8-9 months. What's your camber at now? Mine is as close to 1 degree negative in the rear, and i forget where the front is at, but i want to say about the same, maybe closer to 1.5 degrees. Toe has been set to zero all around.
But... i actually havn't gotten an alignment since march, when i installed the clutch... it tracks straight, and doesn't pull. I was waiting to get the ES bushings, then get an alignment... Guess i waited for nothing... well the front at least. DOH! Guess I'll just have to redo everything else for now.

[pche059]

Geo,
one thing i can tell you...they work pretty damn well...the handling improved alot.... and my tyres are wearing a lot more evenly too....
my car is handling too well... i am so desperate in seeking more power for my ride...

come on JWT
i need my roller rocker type cams quick~

[P10DET]

Originally posted by pche059
Geo,
one thing i can tell you...they work pretty damn well...the handling improved alot.... and my tyres are wearing a lot more evenly too....
my car is handling too well... i am so desperate in seeking more power for my ride...

come on JWT
i need my roller rocker type cams quick~

Thanks Patrick. I'm a little leary of installing "crash bolts" (one knickname here for eccentric bolts), but it looks like I have no choice. So, it's good to read your endorsement.

[poppy_morenito]

Originally posted by P10DET


Can I get in on that bet?

Actually, there isn't an easy Koni solution at the moment for the P10. For the P11 there is and I think the Konis would be good for that. For the P10 it's AGX. And yes, Ground Control coilovers.


When we drove to and from the SE-R convention with the car loaded down and the 340/275 springs, it literally rode as good or better than stock. That wasn't just my opinion, but my wife's as well (and she wouldn't just say that). Unfortunately, when we took the additional weight out, the ride was a bit jiggly so that is why I went to the lower springs rates.

Where can I get GC's cheap ? George has not steered me wrong yet. I let that guy and the speed shop push the Intrax on me which look good but since I am an "old Man " now the bumps are not good for my bad back. I had my boss in my car and she almost lost her lunch over speed bump ...

[greekman]

Originally posted by poppy_morenito


Where can I get GC's cheap ? George has not steered me wrong yet. I let that guy and the speed shop push the Intrax on me which look good but since I am an "old Man " now the bumps are not good for my bad back. I had my boss in my car and she almost lost her lunch over speed bump ...

check out http://www.groupbuycenter.com/buy.asp?row_id=3440 they have them for $455. this is the best price i've seen, but i also haven't checked it out a lot b/c i'm not quite in the market for suspension.

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by P10DET


Thanks Patrick. I'm a little leary of installing "crash bolts" (one knickname here for eccentric bolts), but it looks like I have no choice. So, it's good to read your endorsement.

I think that these kits consist of more than just eccentric bolts. Unless I heard Pete V.B. wrong, you get 2 replacement upper links with the kit. This suggests to me that the bushing's centre sleeves have been modified to allow for either a larger (and thus stronger) eccentric bolt, or to make room for a rotatable eccentric sleeve to fit into the centre of the bushings.

If I were to design one, personally I'd go for a rotatable eccentric sleeve inside a larger bushing centre and utilise the standard bolt. Back when I was a fitter, one of the guys in our workshop even fabricated some tubular wishbone arms. They had adjustable bushing eyes on the ends and could be adjusted in and out on a thread.

Have you e-mailed them again yet? When you find out more about the kit I'd be real interested to read what method they use - please post.

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
I think that these kits consist of more than just eccentric bolts. Unless I heard Pete V.B. wrong, you get 2 replacement upper links with the kit. This suggests to me that the bushing's centre sleeves have been modified to allow for either a larger (and thus stronger) eccentric bolt, or to make room for a rotatable eccentric sleeve to fit into the centre of the bushings.

If I were to design one, personally I'd go for a rotatable eccentric sleeve inside a larger bushing centre and utilise the standard bolt. Back when I was a fitter, one of the guys in our workshop even fabricated some tubular wishbone arms. They had adjustable bushing eyes on the ends and could be adjusted in and out on a thread.

Have you e-mailed them again yet? When you find out more about the kit I'd be real interested to read what method they use - please post.

OK, very cool! My misunderstanding.

I'm with you..... I would fab some eccentric bushings. In fact, I had been toying with how to fit some spherical bearings in an eccentric bushing so I could change camber and caster.

I had also thought about fabbing some wishbone type control arms using spherical rod ends that could be adjusted independently. My big concern was the stress risers caused by the threads on the rod ends. Then again, this is how F1 wishbones attach, so maybe I'm just an old granny.

I will e-mail them tonight. Thanks for calling them. I understand how it goes prepping for a race. I'm really keen to know what they have created.

[T4 Primera]

I could have heard Pete VB wrong or got my wires crossed on the kit thing, it's been known to happen once or twice so it'll definitely pay to get a reply directly from him.

If it were just a couple of eccentric bolts then US$160 would be a pretty cheeky price You'd get a machine shop to make some for that price!!

Patrick, did you get a look at the kit before they installed it in your car? Maybe you could enlighten us?

[P10DET]

Originally posted by T4 Primera
I could have heard Pete VB wrong or got my wires crossed on the kit thing, it's been known to happen once or twice so it'll definitely pay to get a reply directly from him.

I got the reply!

I'll post it here, but probably not tonight (today for you ). I'm getting tired and have a ton of mail still to reply to that won't get done. Oh, and I finally got my SCC with my first article in it! So, I have to curl up with it for a bit tonight.

I also got the bumper cover!!!! Thank you so much! This will be really helpful. It's certainly not a straightforward bolt-on affair, so this will really help me figure this out. I think I'm going to cut it in half so I can see behind it. That sould help working out the logistics. I just cannot thank you enough.

I'll post the info on the camber kit, but the quick story is it's a set of eccentric bushings. Most excellent.

[pche059]

Patrick, did you get a look at the kit before they installed it in your car? Maybe you could enlighten us?

haha nah...
i remember that my ex were yawning wanting to have breakfast...so as soon as i drop the car i went to have BK


Geo: i am looking forward to see the email too hehehehehe

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by P10DET


I got the reply!

I'll post it here, but probably not tonight (today for you ). I'm getting tired and have a ton of mail still to reply to that won't get done. Oh, and I finally got my SCC with my first article in it! So, I have to curl up with it for a bit tonight.

I also got the bumper cover!!!! Thank you so much! This will be really helpful. It's certainly not a straightforward bolt-on affair, so this will really help me figure this out. I think I'm going to cut it in half so I can see behind it. That sould help working out the logistics. I just cannot thank you enough.

I'll post the info on the camber kit, but the quick story is it's a set of eccentric bushings. Most excellent.

Must've been like an early Christmas for you that day - should've bought a lottery ticket as well.

Could you give us the long story on the camber kit sometime? I'm very curious.