95 Saturn SC2 5 speed - ENGINE REMOVAL

[RC1488]

Make sure all the grounds on are connected...including the two grounds that go to the back of the engine with a (8mm?) bolt under the first intake runner. Some forget this one.

Crank the car over with the spark plugs out to get the MMO out of the cylinder.

Get new spark plugs (which i believe you said you are doing).

Make sure your using the Original injectors and fuel rail.

Make sure you have a Brass ECTS that has the two wire connector. If you do not, this may be the issue. A cracked ECTS can lead to a rich mixture.

Put the key in RUN then OFF twice or three times, to make sure the fuel rail is being pressurized. Since everything was disconnected, all the fuel either came out or went back into the tank.

Hold the pedal at WOT or halfway and see if that helps.

It will start over

[RC1488]

Make sure all the grounds on are connected...including the two grounds that go to the back of the engine with a (8mm?) bolt under the first intake runner. Some forget this one.

Crank the car over with the spark plugs out to get the MMO out of the cylinder.

Get new spark plugs (which i believe you said you are doing).

Make sure your using the Original injectors and fuel rail.

Make sure you have a Brass ECTS that has the two wire connector. If you do not, this may be the issue. A cracked ECTS can lead to a rich mixture.

Put the key in RUN then OFF twice or three times, to make sure the fuel rail is being pressurized. Since everything was disconnected, all the fuel either came out or went back into the tank.

Hold the pedal at WOT or halfway and see if that helps.

It will start over

[fritcr]

Got some more info...put the new plugs in. I had to get AC platiums because that was the only ones they had for it. Cranked with nothing. Took the air cleaner snout off at the throttle plate and squirted a bit of Throttle Body Cleaner in it and it hit and ran just a sec then died. Ok...so it is fuel. I got a stethascope and could not hear the injectors clicking at all when turning it over. Pulled plugs and they ok and not wet. I jack the car back up and go over all of my wires and connections. I don't have an ohm meter/voltage meter. My dad swiped it and I never saw it again. (i need to go get one). So, I could not check my injectors etc. Pulled all of the injector wires/clips off and then pushed them back on. Cranked more...nothing...cranked more and it HIT just a bit. So..for long time I cranked and it would hit and die...etc.
NOW the car will run and idle but it is missing on the #1 cyl. I double checked the fire and it is good. Pulled the plug and it is ok and not fouled. I got the stethascope out and started it up...now I can hear clicks on #2 and #4 but NOT #1 or #3??? It is too smooth to be running on only 2 clys I think but who knows. Anyway, dad come by during all of this and says...you know..those goobers up there were sawing boards in that trailer with your engine in it. Do you think they got saw dust in the fuel rail? Well probalby...also, like a dumb @ss I went up and sprayed the engine off at the car wash and didn't cover those tubes. I did put a bag over the intake but not the fuel lines. I guess what I'm saying is...does the injectors pulse if they are clogged with crap? I'm thinking they may be really clogged up? What do you all thing? I have the engine that came out of the car and it is in MY shed covered and clean. I could take the injector rail out of it but I don't know how they come out etc? My haynes manual is no help. Would I have to get new O rings to do this?
Sorry for all of the questions. We are very excited now that we can hear it running. I'm kind of stumped as to why 2 injectors pulse or click but the other 2 do not.
Thanks for responding RC
Rob and Dalton

[fritcr]

I worked for probalby and hour trying to get the fuel rail out of the engine in the car. I couldn't figure out any way to get it out with the injectors on it. I finally gave up and took the clips off of the rail and pulled the injectors off then got it all out. I went up and got my other rail off the orginal engine. I pulled it out end where the P/S pump would have been with no problem. The injectors etc look MUCH better on this one. In fact the injectors off the engine in the car now were all gummed/gunked up.
Anyway, I really hate to take the injectors off and put this all back in but I have tried everything to put it in with the injectors attached and it will not go. I even removed the regulator and won't fit in there. I tried sliding it in from the drivers side and it will almost go but gets stuck on the throttle plate area. My next step is to take the p/s pump off but man I hate to do that it is a pain. Thought someone might have a trick to putting them back in. I tried putting it in from the top with the injectors up in the air and they won't clear the valve cover. Then sticking down and it will not turn in there to go in place. Don't know if I should pull the injectors off the rail and then put them in first or remove the p/s pump? I'm tired and quit on it. Any ideas would be great. The Haynes manual only says to remove the rail from the top and I couldn't do that and now can't get it back in that way.
Rob

[RC1488]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwCxTs4riM8

Hes the fuel rail removal for SOHC, however the intake is the same design as the DOHC. Maybe you can get an idea from this

I remove the injects from the rail, stick the rail in, then put the injectors back on it. Its not hard and does not hurt anything. They just pop out. There are however plastic O rings you want to be very careful with. They can tear if you force them. Make sure when you put the injector in the rail, the o ring is seated properly. I didnt seat one of mine right and squirted fuel all over

Make sure what ever injectors you use they are from '91-'95. In '96 the impedence of the injectors changed and will not work right with your '95 PCM

Keep working! Youll get there! Dont give up!

[fritcr]

Thanks RC! I won't give up. I just get frustrated.
I might just take the injectors off the rail then. I was afraid of leaks. I'm afraid I will have a leak as it is "messing" with them. Everyone just talks like it comes right out and back in but I can't get it too. I figure...I'm doing something wrong! LOL
HEY MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone!!!
Rob

[fritcr]

Just wanted to update everyone. The saturn is ALIVE! I have driven it a few times. Probalby put about 60-70 miles on it. Runs pretty good. I have a few small problems but will start a new thread for them. Engine is in and all is good. Thanks sooo much for everyones help with this!
Rob

[RC1488]

Fantastic!! Great job by both you and your son!