Porsche Cayenne

[Morpheus XIII]

I think Porsche will probably learn a thing or two from the Cayenne development; they could use a lesson about larger displacement--seems like that's the way BMW is going in Le Mans.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
no way.. he's rolling in his grave. racing is (was?) everything for porsche.

cheers
jay

i watched a biography thing on Ferdinand Porsche, that showed his whole life

he didn't even seem like he loved cars that much, he was an engineer, and he built trains and vehicles for the military.
He didn't even really start the idea for sporty cars
Hitler asked him to design the beetle, a cheap car for the german people.
He did that, and then later on with the influence of his son, they started making sportier cars, and then after they were selling well in the U.S. they started making more

but he was more interested in engineering and mechanical invention type things than making fast sports cars
don't get me wrong, he did like making those, but it wasn't a pure love for cars and racing like enzo ferrari

[Morpheus XIII]

Damn, that's well stated. And informative too. Never thought the same Porsches we see on the streets today were created through "accident".

In Ferrari, you can see something else, rather than just a technologically sophisticated car: elegance and prestige. While the Porsches may win the science fair, the Ferraris will take the beauty pageant (not that Ferraris aren't well engineered too ).

[crayzayjay]

Sorry, I meant that Ferry Porsche was rolling in his grave. Isn't it funny that the Cayenne project was given the all-clear so shortly after the great man passed away? Believe me, he was strongly opposed to the idea of a porsche off-roader. He was always for fast cars, stating that "as long as there is Ferrari, there will be Porsche Turbo".
It's true that Ferdinand Porsche was not as much of a racing man as might be expected, but from the first time a Porsche rolled out of the factory the company's intent was clear. Porsche's weren't created "accidentally", racing was the most important thing for the company, it was their proving ground. They wanted to be the best and achieved it countless times, in fact more so than any other company that raced their cars. You're right that on the whole, Ferrari's aren't quite as well engineered as Porsches (how many Ferrari's have you seen with over 100k miles on the clock?). But is the previous post implying that Porsche's aren't elegant or prestigious? For many people, the Porsche is the automatic choice as it is less pompous and extravagant than the Ferrari. I guess it all depends on what you're looking for, and how you see yourself. I'll have one of each, gladly

cheers
jay

[Morpheus XIII]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Isn't it funny that the Cayenne project was given the all-clear so shortly after the great man passed away? Believe me, he was strongly opposed to the idea of a porsche off-roader.

You think? Then where does the 959 come in? Am I mistaken in the sense that it became one of the most successful rally cars of its time? Actually, the Cayenne is more of a product co-created with Volkwagon, which makes it an impure 'bastard', if you will.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
But is the previous post implying that Porsche's aren't elegant or prestigious? For many people, the Porsche is the automatic choice as it is less pompous and extravagant than the Ferrari.

I think you've answered your own question. Most people can't be too elegant or feel too elite. That's why you don't see as many Ferraris as you do Porsches on the road. For the other few remaining, there is a Ferrari waiting in the their garage for them. This is what makes a Ferrari a Ferrari, and not just another sports car: not everyone has the nerve to deal with owning such a flashy car.

[crayzayjay]

Come on now, I think there's a hell of a gap between the 959 and the Cayenne. The 959 is one of the greatest cars of all time and somehow i doubt the "bastard" Cayenne will ever be held in the same esteem. What is it you're trying to say about rallying? That its not racing? The 959 is a rally car, race car, supercar full stop. The Cayenne is a 4x4. Similarities? Theyre both 4 wheel drive. It ends there, so i dont really see the point youre trying to make.

as for the ferraris, its not about the "nerve" of having such a car, some people just dont like them because they are too loud and flash, so not quite as classy or tasteful as a porsche. Its more a matter of some people think they have more taste than driving a ferrari. It's like Versace & Armani, if you know what i mean. Sure Versace make great quality items, but i for one wouldnt be seen dead in a Versace shirt. Armani, on the other hand... sometimes people roll their eyes when you talk to them about the "Prancing horse" etc etc and sometimes you can understand why. Porsche is a no nonsense supercar and for some people the "soul" of a car just does not make sense as they just see cars as a collection of metal parts. im not quite sure if you get what im trying to say here as im having a little trouble putting it into words but its basically that some people want to be seen driving a supercar so they ll go for a ferrari, whereas others prefer a little more subtlety and choose a Porsche. some people choose to be less extravagant and arent as pompous as others, thats what makes you decide between the 2. I have to say i would be somewhere between the 2, Porsche's have always been my favourite but the F355 is one of the most beautiful cars of all time and i must have one before i die.

cheers
jay

[Morpheus XIII]

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Come on now, I think there's a hell of a gap between the 959 and the Cayenne. The 959 is one of the greatest cars of all time and somehow i doubt the "bastard" Cayenne will ever be held in the same esteem. What is it you're trying to say about rallying? That its not racing? The 959 is a rally car, race car, supercar full stop. The Cayenne is a 4x4. Similarities? Theyre both 4 wheel drive. It ends there, so i dont really see the point youre trying to make.

Whoa there, you're taking it way off the deep end. I simply stated my disagreement in that Dr. Ferry Porsche was ever "strongly opposed" to off-road territory.

When you said, "What is it you're trying to say about rallying? That its not racing?" what did you mean by that? What gave you the idea that I felt that rally racing wasn't a true motorsport? No where have I ever posted such a statement or implication for that matter. In fact, i made it obvious how essential rally racing was when I said Am I mistaken in the sense that it became one of the most successful rally cars of its time?. Read more carefully.

Finally, how is it that the Cayenne isn't related to the 959? Have you seen ANY of Porsche's company ads, hinting about the near-future production of the Cayenne? You can clearly see the 959 from where they can state that they have off-road experience. Go to Porsche's Website, and click on the Cayenne banner. See the video.

Notice how Misubishi has awesome rally Evos, AND rally Pajeros? The knowledge is hand in hand, in whichever department.

[gang$tarr]

Ferdinand Porsche designed the 4x4 "jeep" type cars for Hitler during world war 2
that was meant for off-road

[crayzayjay]

i think i read carefully enough, it just seemed there was no distinction between big 4x4's such as the Cayenne and a rally car like the 959, which is the point i was trying to make. So no, i dont think theyre so closely related. one is a supercar and the other a very fast and capable jeep. theyre both awd and in rally prep the 959 will go off-road, which the Cayenne will do too, though i doubt very well.
and what kind of sh*tty name is Cayenne? isn't that some kind of herb?

cheers
jay