best turbo?

[Supra650RSP]

I'm going to have to agree with edman here. If you are never going to replace the internals go with a smaller turbo. you are only going to be running about 8 pounds of boost anywayz. I put a T3/T4 turbo on my brothers Si(I know different motor) but the eventual plan was to run the motor until it blew then bore it out and put stronger internals in it then boost the piss out of it(which is the stage we are at now).
Also another hint: Contact Drag specialties. They make complete kits with everything including intercoolers for around 3 grand. And you can either have a small turbo or large turbo set up

[civicgsr_T4_60-1]

yes, he was running more than 10psi. Ok ok, not a stock block, but a inline pro headgasket. Excellent tuning and a headgasket, that's all. And this kid is running stock internals. Learn that tunning is key, the nova area has built alot of street cars that run 13's plus on stock internals on d16's. 12's plus in b18's on stock internals.

[SleeperCivic]

I hate to bust your bubble, guys, but the D16 stock block and internals can handle WAY more pressure than what you think. Interested in seeing proof? Check out this post (try to have toilet paper on hand just in case you crap your pants):

Here's the power:
http://turbod16.no-ip.com/viewtopic....ght=boosteded9

And here's the result:
http://turbod16.no-ip.com/viewtopic....ght=boosteded9

[edman24]

sleeper did you happen to read all the posts on that forum? he said he blew the motor on the next pass. even if it was just a spun bearing do you know what it takes to repair something like that? and no dont tell me the turbo had nothing to do with it. i never said its impossible to run more boost on stock internals. but its definitely not recommended for a street motor. do you actually think he drives that car everyday and has no problems? thats bs. and he did end up busting the rods and ruining the block. so what point are you trying to make? you would still have to upgrade your fuel and ignition to run over 8 psi. at leats i would because i personally dont like running my car at the brink of detonation. but then again thats just me

[SleeperCivic]

YES, I've read that post a couple of times, I moderate that forum. Well, I wasn't trying to pick a fight about that, but anyway.....

He blew the motor trying to run 20psi. He had already run 11.8 in the 1/4 and wanted to go faster, so he upped the boost to 20psi, but forgot to compensate with fuel.

YES, it's strictly a track car, I never said it's a daily driver. If you take a look at it, you can see it's not a daily driver. I don't think we were talking about driveability, we were talking about how much the D16 could take on stock internals, right?

Anywho, he had been running 15-16psi for almost a year on that motor. THAT is a strong motor. But maybe he got one of those "special" D16's......

[SleeperCivic]

Originally posted by edman24
so what point are you trying to make? you would still have to upgrade your fuel and ignition to run over 8 psi. at leats i would because i personally dont like running my car at the brink of detonation. but then again thats just me

Did I have an argument with you before about this shit? Running more than 8psi does NOT require fuel upgrades, unless you consider the Greddy blue box a fuel upgrade. In fact, I don't consider it a fuel upgrade. If that were true, a Vortech FMU would be considered a fuel upgrade, even thought the integral parts of the fuel system (injectors, rail, pump, and pressure) remain the same. I agree that upgrades are recommended, but I've ran 10psi with JUST the blue box. But then again, that's just me.

[edman24]

no we never had an argument before and i wouldnt try to start one with you because i know you know what you are talking about. i was merely asking what point you were trying to make for a few reasons. i assumed it was implied that we were considering the drivability of the car after turbocharging. second because i consider all mods no matter how small to be mods of the fuel system. yes even the blue box. if its not stock then what is it, a mod. and yes i know the d16 is a strong engine and can take more then 10 psi but is it safe? this one application lasted yes but that doesnt mean you should all go out get d16's and boost them like crazy. id like to see more testing to prove that it can handle 15 psi on a daily driven d16.

did i explain myself well enough?

[SleeperCivic]

Yep, sure did. I'm also interested to see how far these motors can be pushed. I might even test it out mysefl.........when I get another car!

[dannyvd]

t02 my good man

[Cronic]

Hate to bring back an old post, but I just couldn't stand it.

Sleeper, if you ran 10psi on a SOHC VTEC with stock fuel, what was your a/f? I'd love to see that 17:1 ratio.

[SleeperCivic]

All I know is that my AFR gauge was pegged all the way to rich. Greddy kits come with the blue box piggy back unit.

[Cronic]

An A/F guage is NOT an efficient tool to tune by, your stock O2 sensor can't judge your true a/f ratio.
The blue box will not be able to get your injectors to where you need to be for 10psi. Sorry. The blue box is just a hack, not sufficient for tuning.

See www.hondata.com for a good solution. For the sake of your motor, don't run 10psi. 240cc injectors can't push out enough. Not to mention your stock fuel pump... ouch.

How long did you run 10psi? I was running 17psi for a day or so, very fast. I ran 9psi for quite some time with just a fuel pump, it lasted about 6 months before it blew. 2 days before my injectors arrived.

[4bngr]

Ya know, for 3500, you can get the F-MAX kit, complete with additonal injectors, MSD DIS-2 ignition, and an rIDEAL head gasket. Which makes more power than any of those kits.

[SleeperCivic]

Originally posted by Cronic
An A/F guage is NOT an efficient tool to tune by, your stock O2 sensor can't judge your true a/f ratio.
The blue box will not be able to get your injectors to where you need to be for 10psi. Sorry. The blue box is just a hack, not sufficient for tuning.

See www.hondata.com for a good solution. For the sake of your motor, don't run 10psi. 240cc injectors can't push out enough. Not to mention your stock fuel pump... ouch.

How long did you run 10psi? I was running 17psi for a day or so, very fast. I ran 9psi for quite some time with just a fuel pump, it lasted about 6 months before it blew. 2 days before my injectors arrived.

I've ran 10psi on the stock fuel system and the blue box for over a year. You must have had a bad install.

And no one ever said the blue box is tuneable. And YES it's capable of supporting not just 10psi, but 11psi. I've proven that time and time again. It's obvious you've taken your experience and drawn YOUR OWN guidelines for what the kit can do, not what it can really do.

Let the experienced people do the talking and keep your bad experiences to just that: a bad experience. Sounds like a bad install to me. Also, you ran 17psi?? That's not very smart in the first place and that's probably why your damn motor blew, so don't blame it on a turbo kit. That's the fault of the user. I hope you have better luck and foresight on not destroying your motor in the future.

[SleeperCivic]

Originally posted by Cronic
See www.hondata.com

Hodata sucks, straight up. For the price you'll end up paying for their unit, the extra wiring, and tuning, you might as well have bought a stand-alone Haltech unit. The V-AFC hack is cheaper and works just as well for what people really need it for: fuel control.