Let the U.N. die.

[Darth Cypher]

But let's be real about one thing though. Bigotry or not, we do form a very good portion of the backbone of the UN. If we are so hated by people we call our allies (and those who call us thier allies) then why do they not hesitate to call on us when they have a mission or objective to carry out?

[Ringo]

Yeah sure, let the UN die, what a stupid comment. Now that the UN is no longer a convenience to Bush, lets just get rid of it.
The whole world knows what Bush's real intentions are. Invading and killing another nation just so we can save 50 cents a week on gas is monstrous. Bush says that he wants to liberate Iraq's people? When I heard that I laughed until I puked. Bush should use those $20 billion to help the economy here, not give it to Turkey so he can have some personal war and destabilize foreign nations. Bush, leave those Arabs alone already! This is the worst presidency this country ever had.

[Darth Cypher]

Considering that the UN has not backed up any of it's own sanctions (hell some members broke them themselves) it pretty much says how much they really get down. Oh yeah, that is because the US isn't there to enforce them now.

And everytime I hear about how everything we do about oil makes me laugh to the point of puking. We had the Gulf War, didn't get any extra oil out of it.

"Leave the Arabs alone". So are you one of those that are saying that we are killing Muslims, that we are turning this into a Holy War? We helped those Arabs out plenty of times and what did we get for our trouble? 'Nuff said.

I don't want the UN to die. I had high hopes for it and now that they cannot stand up to a country that we kicked the shit out of and allegedly can't fight back that seems to destroy any hopes I had for them. And the US respects the world organization or we wouldn't have gone to them in the first place and try repeatedly to get them to hold true to their own words.

And don't say that Iraq isn't a threat because the UN thought so if they voted unanimously to have him disarm.

[GTStang]

When some1 says that the US has all the power and is the strongest power in the world they are called a bigot. Well too all you people who do not understand that's not bigotry it's called a fact! If someone said cause we are the biggest and badest you should do whatever we want and we'll do whatever we want that's being a bigot.

[GTi-VR6_A3]

Originally posted by Ringo
Yeah sure, let the UN die, what a stupid comment. Now that the UN is no longer a convenience to Bush, lets just get rid of it.
The whole world knows what Bush's real intentions are. Invading and killing another nation just so we can save 50 cents a week on gas is monstrous. Bush says that he wants to liberate Iraq's people? When I heard that I laughed until I puked. Bush should use those $20 billion to help the economy here, not give it to Turkey so he can have some personal war and destabilize foreign nations. Bush, leave those Arabs alone already! This is the worst presidency this country ever had.

please read a few books then come back. no offense but your arguement is unpresidented.

-GTi-VR6_A3

[GTi-VR6_A3]

i just would liek to elt everyone know that the un has been dying slowly for a long time. i mean think about vietnam. that would have never happened if russia would have just been there to veto. but hey i wish the UN would work too. i do not support action without the UN backing it but hell they better back it if Hans over there says they should.

-GTi-VR6_A3

[dolla_bill0913]

The only way the UN will ever work is if EVERY country in the world is part of it. This way peaceful solutions could always be found by talking things out.That means all countries not in the UN, would have to want to be in the UN. But, we all know that some countries want nothing to do with the UN and thats why it will never work.

[Cbass]

The UN does work. The UN is there to be a global forum for nations to discuss their views. The most powerful nations sit on the Security Council, and decide who does what.

The UN is merely an assembly of diplomats, the UN is world opinion. The UN is only called useless by those who wish to see it's demise, right wing Americans such as YogsVR4 and Dubya who would rather not see it stand in the way of their interests.

[GTi-VR6_A3]

i realised somnething. the masses believe the UN only works when its in that countries best interest. say if canada disagreed with the UN. i am sure a ton fo canadians would hate it. i honestly still think that the UN is becoming semi useless but im glad it is there

-GTi-VR6_A3

[Cbass]

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3
i realised somnething. the masses believe the UN only works when its in that countries best interest. say if canada disagreed with the UN. i am sure a ton fo canadians would hate it. i honestly still think that the UN is becoming semi useless but im glad it is there

-GTi-VR6_A3

I agree that if the UN was working in the efforts of global peace and fairness, and that conflicted with the interests of Canada, the Canadian media would cast it in an unfavourable light, and there would be disparaging comments made about it.

I disagree, however, with the UN being useless to any degree. The UN has one major mandate, and that is to keep the peace. The nation that seeks to undermine the UN is not Iraq, it is the US.

The UNSCOM inspectors were making progress in Iraq, until Butler pulled them out, thinking Clinton was sending the troops in.

[Darth Cypher]

Clinton sending the troops in????? I thought that you said the reason was because there was a spy in the team (though I think it was Iraq throwing out accusations but that is not the point). Besides, a lot of us in the military knew clinton was a wimp anyhow.

I want the UN to work. But only certain members are permanent and some are only members. Not every nation it seems is a member, unless I am not understanding the structure or something. Anyhow, my point is that you have sort of a buddy system going. So basically what the UN does will only be in the interests of the members instead of all nations.

Take the Iraq situation for example. People argue that we are doing it for the oil (riiiight). But it can also be said that the reason France and Germany are against US action is because they are doing business with Iraq currently. I'm not trying to throw stones or anything, I'm only trying to create a scenario based on current events to make my point.

Maybe I am niave but all nations (even the third would countries) should have equal representation to be truely effective.

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by Ringo
Yeah sure, let the UN die, what a stupid comment. Now that the UN is no longer a convenience to Bush, lets just get rid of it.
The whole world knows what Bush's real intentions are. Invading and killing another nation just so we can save 50 cents a week on gas is monstrous. Bush says that he wants to liberate Iraq's people? When I heard that I laughed until I puked. Bush should use those $20 billion to help the economy here, not give it to Turkey so he can have some personal war and destabilize foreign nations. Bush, leave those Arabs alone already! This is the worst presidency this country ever had.

Its hardly a stupid comment. The organization itself is complete garbage. Its been that way for a long time. Its not that way because of any current disagreements. I say (again) let the UN continue to run on without the US and watch it wither and die the death it deserves.

[1985_BMW318i]

There is no way the UN can or will survive without the US remaining a Member. The United States by far is the largest contributing member of the UN since its inception. The US is also the first Country that sends in troops under UN resolutions. Followed by England. I would be willing to bet that if the US pulled completely out of the UN then England would follow and then the rest of the US's staunchest allies. Now I'm not saying I'd like to see that happen. What I would like to see is the UN get back to the orginal charter of being just what its initials stand for. United Nations. However since that is unlikely to happen I suppose it can be renamed like its backstabbing members such as France, Russia and Germany would approve. UNSRN or The Union of Socialist Dictator Run Nations.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
I suppose it can be renamed like its backstabbing members such as France, Russia and Germany would approve. UNSRN or The Union of Socialist Dictator Run Nations.

I think you will find that all of those countries are democracies.And I hope that your 'dictator' finds out that America is a democracy at the next election.Bush is determined to stab the UN in the back,not the other way around.This invasion is wrong.period.

[1985_BMW318i]

This invasion is not only needed but is long overdue. This is not about oil. This is not about Bush. This is about a people that have long been oppressed. Ok maybe I went a little overboard calling France, Germany and Russia Dictatorships however they still do not enjoy the freedoms that we do here in the US, I'd love nothing more then to debate this subject personally with you but this seems unlikely and useless. For some reason you personally hate our President. You make it sounds as though its only Bush here in the US that want war. I talk to hundreds or more people a day here in this store and all are of the same opinion with very few exceptions. We want Saddam gone from power of any country on this planet. It will happen and its long long overdue.Saudi Arabia has already agreed to boost its production of oil. We have our own oil here in the states yet we haven't been pumping it. Instead we've been sending our money over to the middle east and purchasing thier oil. I'm not worried about oil or the price of gas. If it goes up so does everything else respectively including wages. It will all balance out here in the US. Russia sits on large oil reserves that are already being developed in large part with American help and know how. Hell the vast majority of the fields in the middle east we developed by the US. When Saddam blew up the fields in Kuwait who was called on to blow out the majority of the fires? A fellow Texan. Now what does your country do for others? How many troups has your country commited to the removal of Terrorism? How much money has your country spent?