i don't understand your cars

[B16EJ1]

Ther is no question that the rotary engine is a better design but Mazda has had a lot of problems with their design in the past and if you can't tear the engine apart yourself the you have to go to some " rotary specialist " that will charge you an arm and a leg. Honda's are user friendly which make them more popular for the common tuner.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by fortyoz2eric
well i agree with autocrossing being mostly the driver....but why not buy the best car you can get for your money? i can except that its your personal taste, or you prefer the looks or the smaller engine...

it isn't like i'm trying to prove that the mazda RX-7 is the best car ever made - i just don't get why people choose civics over these other cars

That's not what you tried to explain when you started this thread. You sounded more like most people who come on here dissing Hondas/Acuras.

I know plenty of people who just go out and buy a $50,000 car to win SS or AS. Then sell the car and buy a newer car for the following year just to win Nationals. How crazy is that? So your brother is only doing what people have been doing since the car was invented. Making them faster and better. Sounds like your brother's car needs some tuning though.

Heck in the North NJ and Philly Region SCCA there are guysing showing up with lots of swapped cars in Street Mod. I've seen everything from a 1989 Civic HB with a swap, turbo and full racing suspension, race tires, roll cage, and racing seats kick the snot out of alot of cars. And I've also seen stock Civics in HS beat the guys in SS (which of course is not the norm).

And people will always be tuning their car to go faster. Wouldn't you try to gain the largest advantage in stock class by getting all the required items? DOt tires, exhaust shocks, front sway bar, etc...? So all your brother is doing is the same, except more to the extreme.

Heck if you gave me a Ferrari F355 Spyder I would be tuning that car too? You always want faster

[Milliardo]

It all comes down to taste: we like Honda, you like something else. I like one here posted: as car enthusiasts, we like all cars. And yes, it also comes down to driver ability. You can have all the mods you want, or have the best engine, but someone who drives better will always beat you. But the bottomline is that since we all love cars, then we must pay due respect to each one's taste.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by Milliardo
But the bottomline is that since we all love cars, then we must pay due respect to each one's taste.

You said it best I don't understand why people buy cars that get 15-20mpg.

[fortyoz2eric]

you guys realize i never said anything bad about honda, hell i have a honda motorcycle - i don't even own a car. lemme clear up what i meant by that RX-7 ad - in my eyes i just see this car (and others like miatas, 240sx's, mr2s...) as better deals than civics. so civic si, you seem pretty serious about racing, my question to you is why did you choose a civic over these other cars?

and just as a side note, if you're trying to bash rotaries by pointing out the bad gas mileage then thats a total cop out - noone can be serious about environmental issues and still drive a sports car.

[B16EJ1]

I think it's time to lock this stupid thread. He still doesn't get the point.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by fortyoz2eric
you guys realize i never said anything bad about honda, hell i have a honda motorcycle - i don't even own a car. lemme clear up what i meant by that RX-7 ad - in my eyes i just see this car (and others like miatas, 240sx's, mr2s...) as better deals than civics. so civic si, you seem pretty serious about racing, my question to you is why did you choose a civic over these other cars?

and just as a side note, if you're trying to bash rotaries by pointing out the bad gas mileage then thats a total cop out - noone can be serious about environmental issues and still drive a sports car.

True you didn't say anything bad about Hondas, but you have to realize how many people do come on here thinking Hondas sucks and why don't you get a real car - type attitude. Gets annoying after awhile.

The problem with the cars you mentioned (sans Miata) is that they are dinosaurs, parts are hard to come by, and if you do find them they are super expensive. Ask any RX7 or MR2 owner what it takes just to replace an engine component - and they will prolly give you every swear word in the dictionary. You seriously cannot find many parts anymore (at least OEM parts).

The one nice things about Hondas is the interchange-ability between years and parts. All the aftermarket support for our cars, and because of the all the competition for aftermarket support we get great deals on parts, on the other hand if you have a VW there are only a select few "GOOD" companies and they charge 2-5 times as much as the same part for a Honda.

Not many companies you can just drop one engine from an INtegra and stick it into a Civic and just rewire things. And I mean literally just drop it in.

And I never did "bash" rotaries as bad mpg - actually they get better mpg than most cars. What I was mentioning is why people buy Camaros and big muscle cars that get those low mpg.

I'm very serious about environmental issues myself. Don't know about other people, but even after two track days down at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) I still got about 25mpg. On autocross weekends where I have 4-6 runs over the course of two days I get 30mpg. And believe me I keep an anal log of all my gas mileage

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by B16EJ1
I think it's time to lock this stupid thread. He still doesn't get the point.

Nah I'm actually enjoying this conversation. It's how I got so many people to start autocrossing. You just have to open some eyes

[shepworldwide]

Originally posted by fortyoz2eric
so civic si, you seem pretty serious about racing

a little understatement?

to add to the topic though i just want to say that my blood pumps thru my veins due to 4cyl honda motors..

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by shepworldwide


a little understatement?

to add to the topic though i just want to say that my blood pumps thru my veins due to 4cyl honda motors..

I'm just a diehard autocrosser. Have been since 1997. I wsih I had the funds for more track time and a dedicated track car and tow vehicle

[Self]

Originally posted by edman24
well also you have to understand. we are modding 4 cylinders. not a huge v8. you know why i dont want a muscle car? because most of them dont put out enough power to justify that huge engine. figure our cars get at least 75 hp per liter. thats even the slower ones. and most of your v8's dont get near that. i believe in tuning. not making your engine bigger. thats something all other companies know except for american companies. oh yah and even with that engine i bet your brother could kill a stock f-body around a turn. american cars cant turn worth sh*t.

Horsepower per liter is quite possibly the WORST answer you could have given. We're all so tired of hearing that, import and domestic drivers alike. You can use that argument all day long, but when we get out there on the drag track, and my 5.7L V8 making 275hp blows your 1.6L, 160hp out of the damn water, sure you can "but hey, I make 100hp per liter!" and my response will be "but hey, I just got down the track 2 seconds faster than you!". What will your defense be then? And let me introduce a new ratio you might not have heard of before...It's called Horsepower PER DOLLAR. Something your 4 cylinder just can't seem to match. 300hp stock isn't enough to justify the engine? What about 500hp modded? The reason I don't want a 4 cylinder? Because most of them don't put out enough power to justify the amount of MONEY I have to put into them to get that power. If you think that a v8 engine isn't well-tuned because it's bigger you're about as clueless as it's possible to be I gaurantee you my car is tuned and tweaked quite a bit further than most cars on the road, no matter what their engine size. American cars can't turn for shit? My 1996 Z28 will smoke you on a road track 7 days out of the week, of that I'm pretty sure. You're making generalizations that aren't backed up by any first-hand experience/evidence. It SOUNDS like you're recycling arguments you've seen others make in the past, without realizing that most of those arguments have already been refuted. Sorry if I'm coming off like a b*tch or anything, just extremely tired of hearing bogus arguments that make no racing sense

[edman24]

pretty funny self. the fact that you think your z28 could outhandle my car. regardless mines a VW but i can guarantee i could kill you around a turn. thats besides the point. lets put aside the fact that your huge uneconomical p.o.s. v8 is faster. ok i give you that much. but which car will last longer? which is built better? these are the MAIN reasons i hate american cars. they have the technology to be the best but american car companies dont use it. in no way did i say that our 4 cylinders are faster. and i didnt say it would be cheaper to mod a 4 cylinder to beat an 8. but you know what, ive seen a lot of 4 cylinders kill v8's with half the hp. you know why? weight. v8's weigh too much for one thing. you dont need 500hp from a 4 cylinder to move the car as fast as you would an 8. 240 out of a 4 cylinder would move it just as fast as a 500hp v8. ill admit, a dream car of mine is a '69 camaro SS. i love those. but that was when v8's were king and the cars were built to last. im sorry but american cars build quality is totally crap. v8's are fine by me IF theyre putting down the numbers to justify those extra cylinders. and dont make me out to be someone who RECYCLES arguments. i do my own research and form my own opinions. i do base my reasons from first hand experience. i have seen plenty people like you come to street races thinking your going to smoke these little ricers with your big pumping v8 and then get destroyed by a b18c1 with nos or a DSM with a mad turbo or an ls/vtec 5th gen 2 dr (these are exact references to cars i know) if youre that into your z28 then stay in your chevy boards and let us get back to our 4 cylinders.

i await your response............

[hybridsol]

you live in harrisburg fortyoz2eric?

[shepworldwide]

Originally posted by edman24
if youre that into your z28 then stay in your chevy boards and let us get back to our 4 cylinders.

how did you manage to become a mod on the civic board anyways?

[B16EJ1]

Why did this post just go in a big circle? Why the hell are we on this Muscle car vs Import bullshit??? As I posted befor a true enthusiast
likes all cars so why hate??? Oh and self, if you dislike imports so much why are you lurkin in the honda forum??? This is the Honda forum right??? I don't think I clicked on " I have a v8 so I bash on Honda's " forum did I???