who is the fastest ,what hondas are really fast ??what models are do u get there 20l

[-The Stig-]

Gentlemen Gentlemen...

You're both correct. Big motors make lots of HP by being lazy, Smaller Motors make lots of HP by being high-strung.

This debate can go on for 10 millenia and it wouldn't end.

I believe you both have proved your point on the Displacement Vs Technology debate. Both of you have Valid points.

I guess it comes down to personal preference mostly. However you choose to power your car. It's still a good choice.

Lets call it a draw shall we? Before we start calling each other names like 'sissy' and 'na-na boy'... and my personal favorite 'dingleberry'.

[KrNxRaCer00]

ahhhh...shaddup sissy...j/k heh, i agree truce? cuz we're all jus enthusiasts i guess? i enjoy honda's high rev (o so sweet) but still give the american cars props where it is deserved.

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by Self
That's all true, very very true. But it's also true that there is no replacement for displacement. NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. No matter how much you know about a car, you will not be able to get the same amount of horsepower from a smaller engine as you can from a bigger one! It's true you can get more HP from a smaller displacement using the os technology than you can from that same small engine using the "domestic" technology. BUT you can't get as much hp from the os technology on that small engine as you can using the "domestic" technology on a LARGER engine. It's proven EVERY SINGLE DAY. Turn your tv onto speedvision. Definately don't see any small-displacement top fuel nitro-burners turning 300mph ETs. Show me proof, please. Take for instance the 4000hp Integra that was built a while back. Like I said, 4000hp, BUT it had 4.6 liters of displacement and a HUGE turbo and there wasn't a single Japanese part in the car. Not that country of origin has anything to do with it, it's only the size of the engine that matters here. If an overseas manufacturer produced a big displacement engine I'll argue this point in defense of that too. Back to the point at hand, no replacement for displacement. Big engines can have turbos too, afterall. Multiple turbo's at that! Take the 4993hp QUAD TURBO @ 28lbs. Expected to run low 5s, and they are looking to turn the boost up EVEN MORE! I don't really think this is a debatable point from your side, afterall, don't the pro's know best? Like that other guy said, you don't see any top fuel dragsters running I4s...

Imagine an 8 cylinder vehicle utilizing reinforced internals a short stroke/ larger bore, a high revolution rep min./ (japanese technology in general). I agree that displacement is very important, but the fact that this technology allows us to use less displacement to achive higher Hp, and better track times is more than obvious, shown that (technology can be used in replacement of displacement to an extent). Also I don't know about you, but I don't see many japanese company's getting into top fuel drags (think about why-biased enviroment). But perhaps they will in the future, The technology is there. Meanwhile this will still always be a debate of preference. I agree this debate could go on forever, changing neither point of views. Also I'd like to say there's nothing wrong with a muscle car build, but engineering in america is slowly adapting to the same style of engineering as the japanese. I'm not saying that the japanese have the best engineering in the world (I think that would be a very large statement to try to prove, I myself would argue it) But there engineering is ahead of the time in some aspects. Look at the VTEC sys. BMW has copied the japanese sys. of valve timing. BMW enhanched the design and introduced VANOS With VANOS, the camshaft has the ability, through complex gearing, to open the intake valves earlier into the intake stroke, allowing the engine to breathe in more air during high RPM operation, thus produce more high RPM power. BMW new system of unperfected valvetronics takes the previous idea of infinitely variable valve timing, and adds in infinitely variable valve lift. In other words, Valvetronic controls how far the valve opens depending upon how hard the driver is squeezing the throttle. A standard camshaft and rocker arm are still in place, but there is now an intermediary arm in between. This intermediary arm pivots based on throttle input, allowing the camshaft to open the intake valves steplessly as little or as much as the system demands. One of the major benefits of this system is the total elimination of the throttle butterfly. This means that the valves themselves are the only things controlling the amount of air flowing into each cylinder. With this system the intake manifold remains full of air the whole time, allowing much faster throttle response. (ends pointless rant) ok I see your point of view that displacement is very important, and I will respect that if you can repect my POV. thanks everybody.

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Gentlemen Gentlemen...

You're both correct. Big motors make lots of HP by being lazy, Smaller Motors make lots of HP by being high-strung.

This debate can go on for 10 millenia and it wouldn't end.

I believe you both have proved your point on the Displacement Vs Technology debate. Both of you have Valid points.

I guess it comes down to personal preference mostly. However you choose to power your car. It's still a good choice.

Lets call it a draw shall we? Before we start calling each other names like 'sissy' and 'na-na boy'... and my personal favorite 'dingleberry'.

na-na boy.......isint na-na getting laid? huh dingleberry?

[-The Stig-]

im not sure what the true meaning of na-na boy means... but its fun to say... haha especially with a German accent... haha

Dingleberry...

Webster's Dictionary Defines Dingleberry as: When one copps a squat, and begins to pump mudd. Ones ass produces excess brownage, thus during cleansing of the rear area. Some left over butt-nuggets might have clung to ones ass hair. Thus these little brownies are refered to DingleBerries Due to their Dangling nature. Exp: Man, I hate it when I get dingleberries... so messy.


Hope that clears stuff up... Man Webster's is pretty dirty.

[DblOvrhedCamron]

Originally posted by RedNeck383
im not sure what the true meaning of na-na boy means... but its fun to say... haha especially with a German accent... haha

Dingleberry...

Webster's Dictionary Defines Dingleberry as: When one copps a squat, and begins to pump mudd. Ones ass produces excess brownage, thus during cleansing of the rear area. Some left over butt-nuggets might have clung to ones ass hair. Thus these little brownies are refered to DingleBerries Due to their Dangling nature. Exp: Man, I hate it when I get dingleberries... so messy.


Hope that clears stuff up... Man Webster's is pretty dirty.

nice 240Z Redneck,

Butt-nugget hahahhahahhaa

[hybridsol]

Originally posted by RedNeck383
im not sure what the true meaning of na-na boy means... but its fun to say... haha especially with a German accent... haha

Dingleberry...

Webster's Dictionary Defines Dingleberry as: When one copps a squat, and begins to pump mudd. Ones ass produces excess brownage, thus during cleansing of the rear area. Some left over butt-nuggets might have clung to ones ass hair. Thus these little brownies are refered to DingleBerries Due to their Dangling nature. Exp: Man, I hate it when I get dingleberries... so messy.


Hope that clears stuff up... Man Webster's is pretty dirty.

I was asking about NANA and calling you a dingleberry....heheheh but I was just playin.

[KrNxRaCer00]

don't make me hurt both u "dingle-berrys..." j/k, damn...this conversation got way off topic. ah well, another thread dead i guess eh?