Which new car would u buy a SRT-4, WRX sti, Lancer EVO?

[specvracing]

LoL, did you say you hope Hondas take over, LoL. Why dont you take a look at the WRX forum and see how the SRT-4 beat the WRX. I take it that you own a RSX, your nothing new Just like all the other HONDA/ACURA's I see. dealership saw you coming since a much faster car like the WRX cost as much as your car, which makes your car SLLLLLOOOOW. Judging on that lets me know you dont know nothing.
you should have baught a METRO.

[98_4dr_civic]

I say the evo cause first, no one has one. second, they are less sluggish than the wrx and they run 13's stock.
and getting back to the neon, come on now people, the tranny on neons are a piece of crap and they have been always know to blow head gaskets like its cool, besides... It's not all about going straight, cause when you take the turn the neon will slide and lag while the wrx and evo are gone out of sight. peace
and 13's with a passenger...whatever, every article ive read about the srt-4 gave out a lowest of 14.1

[KatWoman]

Originally posted by 98_4dr_civic
Iand getting back to the neon, come on now people, the tranny on neons are a piece of crap and they have been always know to blow head gaskets like its cool, besides...

Question: have you every driven a Neon or are you going by what others say or stuff read in magazines? Magazines are biased in my opinion. You can't give an import lover a domestic vehicle to test out and expect him to write up rave reviews and vice versa.

Funny you should mention the tranny, my original one has 151,000+ miles on it and still shifting smoothly As for headgaskets, that was the fault of Chrysler, not just limted to Neons either. And ANY vehicle with an aluminum head/cast iron block faces that issue. Different metals have differing warm up/cool down rates. If a car is allowed to overheat too much this will compromise your head (warp) and your gasket. And ALL cars (Honda's too ) have some kind of faulty issue. And of course no manufacturer is gonna publicize on the faults of their product, so they put the spotlight on some other wonderful feature.

Also a nice little factoid: ALL manufacturers leave out certain things in the maintainence schedule in your owners manuals. Why? Because the less a consumer may have to spend in repairs the more likely they will be to purchase that vehicle. Less $$ spent in repairs also = better rating by J.D. Power Associates, Consumer Reports, etc. But in the end the consumer will spend more because they may have left out the fact that your auto tranny needs servicing every so many miles, or that you should change out your water pump with your timing belt, or that the motor in your model needs higher octane gas....little things like that That's why sites like this or "your car"-specific sites are awesome, so that you can learn little things like that before disaster strikes.

When someone can drive the same car for 6 years/150,000+ miles then come talk to me All in all, it boils down to what everyone likes and what everyone can afford that affects our choice in vehicles

[98_4dr_civic]

ive driven a neon. cant say I have driven the srt-4 cause they dont even sell them in my area yet. A car will last you as long as you take good care of it. 150k is alot of miles and im happy for you that it has lasted you so long cause it sucks to have to do non-scheduled repairs. neons werent meant to be raced. wrx and evo's were. thats why I would get a evo.

[KatWoman]

I have had plenty of non-scheduled repairs, however I am fortunate to have my fiance and friends that know cars to help out. I have spent about 1/5 of what most average people would pay to keep the beast running The Neons (1st gen) have done very well in autocrossing. I am not sure on 2nd gens, as I am not familiar with them. I would love to get my hands on an SRT4 to play with though As for drag racing, they do well if you wanna put the time and money into building it up for racing....properly that is.

[98_4dr_civic]

true, but thats the thing...you got to build them. Thats what I love about the new AWD that are comming out. out of the box performance and all the money you really got to spend is maybe a bigger turbo or a boost controler. but yea, neons are doing good on drag and they've been doing good on rally as well. Im glad you love your car. thats the most important part.

[1320B4U]

WARNING:Bashing on American cars below. If it pisses you off dont read it.


I would take the EVO, though im a little biased : ) Then it would be the Scooby. Like 98-4 door said, there built for racing. They can handle more boost on stock internals better than anything other than a Supra, 300ZX, and Skyline. How much boost can the Neon handle before it pops? As for Kat's statement about iron block/alluminum heads, I havent heard of any other cars have that problem, even the previously mentioned turbo cars running 20+lbs. Can we say "quality control" problems. You can't out-turbo the Japanese. Or out-quality them, well the Europeans can. Ask the Europeans what they like better, American cars or Japanese cars. Ask the Japanese what they like better, American or European cars. You know what the answers will be. Thats because almost all American cars are low tech, low quality, garbage. Dont believe me? Just take a look at resale value. I mean what percentage of American cars have 4-wheel independent suspension? All-wheel-drive in performance applications? Turbocharging? How about variable valve timing? Japanese came out with it, BMW uses it as Double VANOS; any American cars have anything similar? Don't think so. How about Corvettes? You notice how the have a 6speed yet they top out in 5th? The only reason they have a 6spd is to help that out of date OHV engine pass emissions. What other sports car has a OHV engine? Oh, the other dinosaur of a car, the Viper, and of course its American. Whats up with that car? Dodge simply adds .3 liters of displacement to get more power out of it; the cheapest, easiest, and most low tech way. 8.3 liters for an exotic? Its just ridiculous.
Heres a question. What cars have the most recalls? I don't factually know the answer, but you know what my guess is.

[Polygon]

Originally posted by 1320B4U
WARNING:Bashing on American cars below. If it pisses you off dont read it.

Yeah, you can have your opinion, that doesn't piss me off, but ignorance does when people are trying to pass it off as fact.

How much boost can the Neon handle before it pops?

I don't know, but it is handling 14PSI without a hitch and they have a bigger turbo kit available straight from the factory.

As for Kat's statement about iron block/alluminum heads, I havent heard of any other cars have that problem, even the previously mentioned turbo cars running 20+lbs. Can we say "quality control" problems.

Well, it isn't her fault that you don’t know what you're talking about. Aluminum will heat faster than the iron block will. This will compress the head gasket. So if you overheat your engine you chance blowing the head gasket which will cause the engine to get even hotter and crack the head. An aluminum head will crack before the block does. This is not a quality control problem, unless the Japanese have magic metals that they aren't telling us about.

This is simple physics pal.

You can't out-turbo the Japanese. Or out-quality them, well the Europeans can.

Well, hmm, let’s see. Chrysler was turbo charging cars long before the Japanese were, and what about Saab? Also the company that makes the best, highest performance, and longest lasting turbos is Garrett; an American company. Give me any car for a few days and I can turn it into a pile of shit mechanically just by driving very poorly. Everybody makes shitty cars, America, Japan, Korea, and Europe. You CAN'T make a perfect product. It is impossible. My family and I have owned nothing but Chrysler and we have never had any major problems with them that weren't driver related.

Saying that America makes lower quality cars is so stupid. You have no idea what you're talking about. And for the record, I like both imports and domestics. I hate individual cars, NOT manufactures. Oh, and some Fords are imports and some Hondas are domestics. The line is far too blurred between the two these days.

Ask the Europeans what they like better, American cars or Japanese cars. Ask the Japanese what they like better, American or European cars. You know what the answers will be.

No I don't, because that would be ignorant since I would be generalizing what an entire population of people would say.

Thats because almost all American cars are low tech, low quality, garbage. Dont believe me? Just take a look at resale value.

Resale, there are plenty of imports with shit resale. The Dodge Avenger was an import, made by Mitsubishi, and look; it has shitty resale. Why? Probably because of ignorant people like you that thought it was a Dodge so it must be a domestic piece of shit. Resale is decided by the population, and there are a lot of stupid people out there.

I mean what percentage of American cars have 4-wheel independent suspension?

A lot!

All-wheel-drive in performance applications?

And the average person needs that? It is like this AWS with Chevy these days, who REALLY needs it? It is something else to break, and something that most people don’t even need or take into consideration when buying a car.

Turbocharging?

Once again, Chrysler made a lot of turbocharged cars, and long before Japan was doing it. Their t/c cars were very fast and very reliable. I am glad to see them doing it again.

How about variable valve timing? Japanese came out with it, BMW uses it as Double VANOS; any American cars have anything similar?

Yes, variable timing and lift is soo high tech. Get off your damn high horse. They have far better things that produce far more power than that. Perhaps we like low end torque. Oh, and variable timing is used in a lot of cars to improve gas mileage, not performance, and even at that it only comes it at around 6000 RPM.

How about Corvettes? You notice how the have a 6speed yet they top out in 5th? The only reason they have a 6spd is to help that out of date OHV engine pass emissions.

I suppose that you drive a lot of Vettes, and a lot of different cars to know this stuff. Or you have just been reading a little too much Motor Trend.

What other sports car has a OHV engine? Oh, the other dinosaur of a car, the Viper, and of course its American. Whats up with that car? Dodge simply adds .3 liters of displacement to get more power out of it; the cheapest, easiest, and most low tech way. 8.3 liters for an exotic? Its just ridiculous.

Hey moron! Pretty much every engine ever made is OHV; your car is unless you drive a rotary. That stands for overhead valve. Where else would they put them, under the cylinder? That might be more high tech.

I think the term you're looking for is pushrod. I don't see Japan making any cars with 500HP and 525 ft/lbs of torque out of the box. Sure they could make it DOHC and VVTL and all these other fancy things and it would cost as much as the other Exotics. It is called trying to be affordable.

Heres a question. What cars have the most recalls? I don't factually know the answer, but you know what my guess is.

I am pretty sure that every manufacture has their fair share of recalls, import and domestic, don't be a retard, and put down that Motor Trend and get some real knowledge sometime.

[rrmike1]

I got news for you rice-heads who come in here and bash neons...... (ESPECIALLY, if you're in a room with Polygon. I said one off-color remark about them and I got my ass chewed(I probably deserved it)!!! AND I OWN TWO NEONS!!!)......take your pansy-asses and go if you don't like what you hear. You want your EVO, go buy it, you want your WRX, go buy it. If you don't like neons, either keep your comments to yourself, or stay the fuck out!!!!

[98_4dr_civic]

ok, Im out then but neons still suck....:finger:

[KatWoman]

Originally posted by 98_4dr_civic
ok, Im out then but neons still suck....:finger:

Don't make me get outta my chair!

[JohnboySRT]

I would buy an SRT-4. The Evo is the clear winner for all around car, but much more expensive. Also, look around the net...there are several videos of SRT-4s whoppin WRXs. In a way, this is an unfair comparison because these vehicles are not all in the same class but for the value, I'd stick with the SRT-4.:smoker2:

[SniperX13]

Its a big toss up between the three, but basically for me, it would have to come down to affordability, and amount of aftermarket support. I love the idea of the SRT-4, but I would deffinetly get one thats not Yellow!!. Is it me, or is every SRT-4 Dodge is handing out for testing yellow?? I know there is a dark red one racing in the SCCA's Rally Group N. Its came out on top there quite a few times. If the aftermarket support will be there for the people who buy the SRT-4's, then it would be the one that I would choose. Plus, maybe its just me....... but the front end, kinda reminds me of a pontiac a bit. that huge quad-split front bumper. I would like to see the car recieve a few more aggressive looking lines. IMHO.

[1320B4U]

Has anyone modded the SRT? I just want to know what the stock engine can handle? 350hp? Less or more? And the exhaust manifold/turbocharger are up on the firewall? It uses a Mitsu TDO4 based turbo? So will people be bolting on 16g's?

[violator5spd]

I can't remember what site it is, but some site had the stats of cars going 0-150mph. Anyways, the 0-150 time on the SRT-4 was a fraction lower than the WRX STi...