why imports shouldnt be looked down upon

[TatII]

ha i drive something that you would typically classify as a "sports car" its small, its suppose to only seat two people. and its RWD. even though i don't got enough grunt to push the car quick. it sure carves turns like its on rails.

[TerminalVelocity]

I can see an -extremly- moded civic being called a sports car, I can see a prelude being called one. An S2k could be easly. But, they will never be muscle cars. A muscle car means -brute force over tech- They are known to be large v-8's My car could be called one, its a big car, with a 302 v8 A honda with a 100 cube engine, or whatever its size is, will -NOT- be a muscle car. But, a viper could be a muscle car (sorta) and a sports car.

My 302 cubes... :bandit:

[-The Stig-]

you're 302ci engine is to LAUGH!...

still aint nothing like having a Big Bitch between the fenders...

no replacement for cubic inch displacement.

Speed and Fun are two things that go together like peanut butter and jelly... they cost money too. How fast you want to go? It all depends on how much you're willing to spend.

This topic is pretty touchy, I think both ways with it. True a Civic or Cavalier or anything of that matter is not a 'sports' car or 'muscle' car. But with enough money, the owner can make it close to whatever they damn well please.

Mad props to anybody who can get an Econo box to run 13's (or lower) in the Quarter.. more patience than I have to spend on a gutless wonder. Some of us cant afford the cars that we'd love to dip around in, Im fortunate to own one of my dream cars.. my Nova. I was lucky it was handed down to me through the family... albeit it was in shambles when i got it (sitting for 6 years doesnt help!) But if some guy can only afford a 95 Civic DX and puts some Rims on it.. and swaps out the motor for say like one with some TEC! Then go for it dude, some of the best times of our lives are right now with these cars. You ever listen to your parents? And how they used to street race back in the day? Sounds like fun doesnt it, you can see that look in their eyes about those good ol days of soupin up some crappy Jalopy with some buddies.

Its all fun for us, enjoy while we can. I'll never stop, Im just a big kid at heart.. just my toys got really cool!

So people no matter what you drive, dip it like its got no momma!

From the Astro Vans to the Zamboni's... keep cruisin.
(sorry for the lengthy post)

[MadZ]

mrcvette is right ... I've said it once and I'll say it again, if you rice drivers are out to build a sleeper with your econo-car, then stick with the program! dont spend all of your money on worthless ugly shit like mile high wings and gay ass altezas. that defeats the purpose of a sleeper...trying to create the image of a fast car and then half the time not even being fast... thats just the opposite.

[MadZ]

oh and kc2, you talk about these kids not being able to afford real sports cars? I've seen some pretty pricey civics out there not to mention all the money they dump into them, why not buy a dsm like an awd eclipse or talon for around 3 or 4 grand and actually have a quick car?

[LjasonL]

i saw a guy somewhere on the internet with a civic that runs 12s as a daily driver, thats pretty good, but i nearly crapped myself when i found out how much money he had in that car. $50,000! and most of it was from the useless crap that the riceboys always buy.

[DeViL]

That must be the most expensive Civic on the planet.

What is funny to see is a bunch of kids talking shit on how badass there little Honda's and how well they run, but if someone challenges them with a car with more then 6 cylinders, they get scared and shut up quick.

[mongofiero]

there is one thing better than cubic inches.. cubic money

[Cbass]

True, but after a basic point, cubic inches will get you further than cubic money...

Think of the most you can put into an engine, EFI, turbos, forged everything, high octane fuel, and put it in a 2.0 liter engine. Put the same stuff on an 8.0 liter engine, see where it gets you!

[kris]

Originally posted by Cbass
True, but after a basic point, cubic inches will get you further than cubic money...

Think of the most you can put into an engine, EFI, turbos, forged everything, high octane fuel, and put it in a 2.0 liter engine. Put the same stuff on an 8.0 liter engine, see where it gets you!

Down the track as fast as that 2.0 does.

[Marc-OS]

Imports and domestics are great in their own way. Domestics/Muscle cars are like raw looks and power, and imports have more refined looks and power. It's much harder to get HP out of a 4 cyl. than an 8 cyl. That's why I like 4 cyl. more than 8 cyl., I like the challenge in squeezing every last bit of hp out of a 4 cyl. It's even harder being an import fan when all of your friends are v8 freaks, and you're constantly being insulted because you'd rather have a CRX than a Dodge Charger (Last month I was gonna buy a Dodge Charger with 440 big block, but instead I decided to drop $5,000 into the CRX)

[danno_SS]

(Last month I was gonna buy a Dodge Charger with 440 big block, but instead I decided to drop $5,000 into the CRX)

and did your v8 freak friends give you a good swift kick in the ass??

as far as the Sports Car subject matter goes:
Any car can be taken into the sports car category with enough suspension and powertrain mods. Like Marc-OS said certain cars just have the advantage of get ting there with less work. Some people (like me), would rather just buy a car that's already there and make minor improvements. Others enjoy the challenge of rebuilding and taking their cars to the next level. As far as I'm concerned a cars classification by the fed. gov. means little. It's all about what you want your car to do and how much you are willing to spend.

as far as the Muscle Car classification goes;
I'm gonna have to say that that term is reserved for 1960-70 American Cars.

[Cbass]

I say go for the looks and handling of the car you want. It's always possible to add more power, if there are no parts for the stock engine, you can always replace the engine.

There aren't really any performance parts for the 931 engine, aside from very rare, and very expensive Carrera GT parts. I can expect a good 250hp out of it, if I want to completely build the engine and still keep driveability.

OTHO, with my RX7 project, I can get 400hp out of it, and 500 ftlbs, weighing in about the same 2500lbs, it's obvious which one is going to be faster. However, I like the looks and handling of the 931 a lot more, it's a better car for my money.

[-Josh-]

Pontiac WS6, T/A, Firebird
Chevy Camaro, Corvette
Dodge Viper
Ford Mustang

I may have left out a few but these are what i consider muscle cars. Civics and and Cavaliers and all those rice import things are considered sport compacts.

[DeViL]

The recent era of "muscle cars" doesn't have much to offer unlike what they had for the 60's.

And most of them are way too expensive. thats pretty much the whole list except Pontiac will be coming out with the GTO soon. And most of all the almost forgotten Buick Grand National.

Look at this compared to the 60's:

90's - New Millenium:
Firebird/Firehawk
Mustang/Cobra/Millions of other brands
Camaro
Corvette
Viper
GTO
Grand National

60's:
Charger
Challenger
Superbee
Roadrunner
Superbird
GTX
Chevelle
Corvette
Camaro
Nova
Firebird
GTO
Skylark/GS (GSX)
Torino
Mustang
Fairlane
Cobra
4-4-2 W30
Barracuda
Duster
Dart


Sucks doesn't it? Look how many cars got wiped out after the 70's. Some cars survived, but they turned into complete junk. I remember seeing a tiny, rusted up red, front wheel drive, 4 DOOR, Chevy Nova, a couple weeks ago. It must of been from the 80's late 70's, it was nothing but a box. The Oldsmobile 4-4-2 finally died out in like 84 or 86, by then that car was nothing but a couple numbers written on the side of a Cutlass.

I'm sure we all see the old folks hanging around at car shows, eyeing their old cars they grew up with. Take a look at all the Camaro's and Mustangs you see on the road today, one of these days they'll be just as rare as seeing a Chevelle or Roadrunner is today. Imagine the time when you'll be saying to yourself "woah a 89 5.0, haven't seen one of those in years" and telling your kids stories about the cars. Heh one of these days a Z06 Corvette, a Saleen Mustang, a Pontiac Firehawk, is just going to be something of the past.