George Carlins solution to the energy crisis!

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by blazee

Exactly. Whenever the issue of immigration is brought up someone immediately starts talking about race. True that most of our immigration issues are at the Mexican border, but that doesn't make it a race issue. Hell, not all of the illegal immigrants are Mexican citizens, and even if they were, "Mexican" is not a race, it is a nationality. Calling someone a Mexican is not a racial slur. Over the years, I've worked with a lot of guys from Honduras. Most of them severely disliked Mexicans, whenever one of them talked badly about Mexico it was understood to be a nationality issue and nothing to do with race. Why is it different when an American talks about Mexico than when a Honduran does? Are we only allowed to express our dislike for what a Country's citizens do when the country has a similar racial makeup of our own? Why in the hell is someone's race such a big deal? People that are so quick to want to label someone as a racist, most likely have issues of their own.

Who said the issue of illegal immigrants was strictly related to Mexicans? I agree not all the illegals are Mexican. A good percentage are from Central and South America who decided to cross the border via Mexico to gain entry to the U.S. Nonetheless they are Hispanic/Latino and the association probably lies there. When people weigh-in on a post of this nature they are entitled to their opinions and that includes raising the race card. However, I can think of better terms than racism. How about Bigotry? Intolerance? Discrimination? Who really knows what the author's intentions or beliefs were or his/her state of mind when the joke was dreamed up and written?

What I do know is distasteful jokes of this nature whether based on racism, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination or ignorance have no place on AF.

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

nope, no specific race mentiond.
they just say get rid of all non-americans.
nope, not racist at all.

Illegal aliens aren't a race. "Illegal aliens" doesn't mean non-americans either. Where did anyone say "non-americans" except in your post?.

Illegal alien means ILLEGAL alien.

Illegal alien also means crime and abuse to any gov't aid program they can get their hands on. Trust me, I live in Los Angeles and I have worked for the Deptarment of Public Social Services. I've seen their abuses first-hand. From falsified documents to stolen ID's - those people are abusing our system to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Of course not all illegal aliens are criminals, but the ones who are create a major league financial burden on us taxpayers.

Originally Posted by bnaylor

Come on.....then what border was the joke referring to? Lets not be so naive. Doesn't have to be expressed but it is implied.

The joke is about illegal aliens who Americans consider to be a troublesome burden. If millions of Canadians entered our country illegally, turned our neighborhoods into crime-ridden ghettos and created a huge financial burden on American taxpayers then the joke would be about Canadians also. But we aren't over-run with illegal Canadians - the Canadian gov't isn't plagued with crime and corruption - they can take care of their own. Not true with the "other border".

There are also millions of illegal immigrants from asia here but from my first-hand experience they are not abusing our system as much as those from "South of the Border". That's not racism, that's just a simple fact.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

The joke is about illegal aliens who Americans consider to be a troublesome burden. If millions of Canadians entered our country illegally, turned our neighborhoods into crime-ridden ghettos and created a huge financial burden on American taxpayers then the joke would be about Canadians also. But we aren't over-run with illegal Canadians - the Canadian gov't isn't plagued with crime and corruption - they can take care of their own. Not true with the "other border".

There are also millions of illegal immigrants from asia here but from my first-hand experience they are not abusing our system as much as those from "South of the Border". That's not racism, that's just a simple fact.

First of all the term "illegal aliens" is out the window. Passe. Your reasoning sounds flawed to me. Illegal is illegal regardless of whether they are a burden on the system or not and that includes illegal immigrants from Asia or Europe. For example there is an estimated 50,000 illegal Irish in the U.S. I don't hear anything about sending them to Iraq. No need for hypocrisy or double standards. California's problem with illegal immigrants is a problem of their own making. For example the last time I checked in the state of Texas you have to be legal (green card) to get welfare.

In my area we recently had a bust at a Chinese restaurant where the employer hired illegal immigrants from China. The employer was prosecuted and the people were deported. Lets get to the source/root of the problem, one of which is the employers nationwide hiring illegals.

What I find interesting and disgusting is you'll find the same joke in one form or another on several White Supremist web sites/forums. So go figure. Here is one example.

Click here

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by bnaylor

Illegal is illegal regardless of whether they are a burden on the system or not and that includes illegal immigrants from Asia or Europe.

I never said those that aren't a burden and those from asia and europe aren't considered illegal. I said they aren't "abusing the system" from what I saw working for the county of Los Angeles.

Originally Posted by bnaylor

For example there is an estimated 50,000 illegal Irish in the U.S. I don't hear anything about sending them to Iraq.

I didn't hear anything about sending Mexicans to Iraq in that joke...didn't you read it? It says specifically "ILLEGAL ALIENS" - if you interpret that to mean Mexicans only and not Irish that's your business. I'll say it again: THE JOKE IS ABOUT ILLEGALS WHO ARE CONSIDERED A BURDEN.

Originally Posted by bnaylor

California's problem with illegal immigrants is a problem of their own making. For example the last time I checked in the state of Texas you have to be legal (green card) to get welfare.

You need a "green card" to reside in the country, not just to get welfare. The problem is the illegals are using fake birth certificates and forged/stolen documents to obtain green cards. It happens in Texas as much as in California - it happens anywhere there is a large concentration of illegals.

Originally Posted by bnaylor

What I find interesting and disgusting is you'll find the same joke in one form or another on several White Supremist web sites/forums. So go figure.

Yup - it's a joke you'd hear a white supremist say. It also wouldn't shock me to hear the exact same type of joke from Dave Chappelle or Carlos Mencia

Send them to Iraq - it's meant as humor. A ridiculous and unrealistic solution for the millions of Americans who are frustrated by these parasites living off our taxes.

Here's a quote from a Saturday Night Live skit - you'd have to be pretty uptight to not see the humor:

"Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), a prominent critic of current immigration laws -- said that he had "found a labor force" willing to build a border wall "at about a fifth of the cost." He added: "We're very excited about it. They don't need health insurance, and you just pick them up in the parking lot of the Home Depot."

[drunken monkey]

oh yeah, irish and asian imigrants are always found trying to cross the border.
what border?
read the news.

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

oh yeah, irish and asian imigrants are always found trying to cross the border.
what border?
read the news.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261081,00.html


This one was trying to get across from Canada. Not very smart:

Authorities Rescue Illegal Immigrant Adrift on Ice Floe Dangerously Close to Niagara Falls

Sunday, March 25, 2007


NIAGARA FALLS, N.Y. — An illegal immigrant was rescued from an ice floe less than a mile upstream from Niagara Falls, authorities said.
Guards from Ontario Power Generation said they heard the man screaming for help at about 4:30 a.m. Saturday near the company's water intakes near Chippawa, Ont.
"If he hadn't been discovered," said Peter Larsen, a control dam operator at the intakes, "he would have gone through one of those gates and then very likely could have been swept over the falls."
Rescuers in boats plucked the shivering man from the ice floe and got him ashore.
Authorities said the unidentified 42-year-old man had an inflatable air mattress with him and was apparently trying to get to the United States. The ice chunk he was on apparently broke loose.
The man was treated for mild hypothermia before being charged by Canadian immigration authorities.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

oh yeah, irish and asian imigrants are always found trying to cross the border.
what border?
read the news.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that prove the point then if the majority are hispanic? If the were not the majority, THEY wouldn't be the issue then would they?

What exactly is the fuss?

Just for the record ~ I'm not biased I hate all illegals with a passion they get off scott free compared to those who go through the system...

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

This one was trying to get across from Canada. Not very smart:

To say the least.

Here is a story from last week of 3 illegal Mexican immigrants that were not too fortunate. One thing you don't do around this time of year is try swimming across the mighty Rio Grande and the diversion canals to get from Mexico to the U.S. especially with all the run off water from the melting snow in Colorado and New Mexico. I guess we don't have to worry about them being a burden on the taxpayers.

Three Men Pulled from the Rio Grande
Two men are dead after drowning Wednesday morning . A third man is rescued late Wednesday night.
Thursday, March 22, 2007

Source KTSM-9/NBC
http://www.ktsm.com/news/local/6634912.html

Man found in canal dies later at hospital
El Paso Times
03/23/2007 12:00:00 AM MDT

A Mexican man who was pulled out of an El Paso canal Wednesday night was later pronounced dead at Thomason Hospital, bringing to three the number of suspected immigrants who drowned that day.

Source El Paso Times
http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_5499917

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

oh yeah, irish and asian imigrants are always found trying to cross the border.
what border?
read the news.

As a matter of fact, I have read the news. For about the past decade there has been a problem with Chinese immigrants illegally attempting to sail to America in overcrowded boats. There were several stories of the boats capsizing and Chinese immigrants drowning by the hundreds, or starving and suffocating in a galley packed with immigrants. They were trying to illegally cross a border to enter America. "What border" you ask? The coastal border. Same story with Cuban refugees. Do you know who Elian Gonzales is? Of course you do - you "read the news"

FYI the United States has more than two borders. What do you think the Coast Guard does?

Here's something you probably don't realize - EVERY immigrant in the United States, whether legal or illegal, crossed a border to get here. Be it the Mexican border, the Canadian border, or the coastal borders. Unless you were born here you can't set foot in America without crossing one of those borders.

Here's the other thing about that: The illegal Asian and European immigrants are here, but they aren't the ones illegally collecting welfare, illegally receiving food stamps, committing crimes, etc... Well I'm sure there are some asian/european immigrants who do those things, but they don't number in the millions like our amigos from down south.

I hear stories about Mexican immigrants dying while trying to cross the desert every year. Another good reason for tougher immigration laws. These people would not be risking their lives to get here if they thought they would be caught and deported.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

Here's something you probably don't realize - EVERY immigrant in the United States, whether legal or illegal, crossed a border to get here. Be it the Mexican border, the Canadian border, or the coastal borders. Unless you were born here you can't set foot in America without crossing one of those borders.

yes but what one is/was in the news more often and hence a more topical area of discussion?

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

Here's the other thing about that: The illegal Asian and European immigrants are here, but they aren't the ones illegally collecting welfare, illegally receiving food stamps, committing crimes, etc... Well I'm sure there are some asian/european immigrants who do those things, but they don't number in the millions like our amigos from down south.

I hear stories about Mexican immigrants dying while trying to cross the desert every year. Another good reason for tougher immigration laws. These people would not be risking their lives to get here if they thought they would be caught and deported.

so are you now singling out Mexicans?
does that mean that when you read the original post, you automatically thought of Mexicans?

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

Here's the other thing about that: The illegal Asian and European immigrants are here, but they aren't the ones illegally collecting welfare, illegally receiving food stamps, committing crimes, etc... Well I'm sure there are some asian/european immigrants who do those things, but they don't number in the millions like our amigos from down south.

I sure hope you're not serious right? There's quite a few newly asian immigrants already started there own gangs. Most southeastern Asians came here as refugees and there is some that came illegal as well. I know quite a few. Alot of them are involved in gang activities. It's like that with everyone. Not only Asians are good at math but they're good at "boom boom your club" and wreaking havoc as well.

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

yes but what one is/was in the news more often and hence a more topical area of discussion?

Like I said four or five times in this thread:

NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE OF ANY SPECIFIC RACE. IF YOU THINK "MEXICAN" WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "ILLEGAL ALIEN" THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS.

Having said that let me add: Of course we all know it's about Mexicans - same with the Saturday Night Live skit I posted. They don't mention any specific race but we all know who they were talking about, right? It's called HUMOR. The joke isn't funny if we just come out and say "MEXICAN". There's a subtle difference in the delivery of a joke if you use just the right word. Sorry if you don't think the joke was funny. You don't have to be a racist like the joke, you just have to be able to see the humor of irony. SNL writers aren't as funny as they used to be, but sometimes they score a hit.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

so are you now singling out Mexicans?
does that mean that when you read the original post, you automatically thought of Mexicans?

I mentioned Mexicans dying because the links BNAYLOR posted were about Mexican people dying while trying to cross the Rio Grande. I should also point out that I mentioned Chinese immigrants dying as well. Pay attention, I've had to repeat myself several times because you are choosing to "selectively respond" to only some of the points I am making.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

Well I'm sure there are some asian/european immigrants who do those things, but they don't number in the millions like our amigos from down south.

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE OF ANY SPECIFIC RACE. IF YOU THINK "MEXICAN" WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "ILLEGAL ALIEN" THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS.

Then who are you referring to?

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

Then who are you referring to?

Mellowboy, I've read your other posts...you are an intelligent person. Read my posts...again and again if necessary. Your answer lies within...

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

I know there are Asian gangs and European gangs and the Russian gangs but:

And how do you know they're numbers are in "millions?" There's not that many gangs in the U.S. to begin with.