Motorex Isn't alone!!

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Or a 500hp, Mustang for $15k

But would you feel comfortable driving your $15k 500hp mustang in the rain and snow ??

Sorry, just had to bring the all powerfull ATTESSA into the picture

[GT-R Enthusiast]

I dont post in these forums much because it depresses me that there are so many people driving skylines around. But anyways i wanted to add my two cents:

Going back to the price drop issue, i would think that motorex would have to drop prices, no? Maybe not 50 % but still...

The demand for the 32,33,34's are high but the cost is too expensive for most consumers. so, when the 35 gtr comes out, people that want a "skyline" will go buy them... wouldnt that mean motorex could lose potential customers, therefore they would drop prices?

Sorry if that doesn't make sense...

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by GT-R Enthusiast

The demand for the 32,33,34's are high but the cost is too expensive for most consumers. so, when the 35 gtr comes out, people that want a "skyline" will go buy them... wouldnt that mean motorex could lose potential customers, therefore they would drop prices?

Well I look at it this way, people who want an R34, or R33, 32 whatever won't go out and buy the 04 GTR. They will still want an Rb26, intelligent AWD, rock solid drive train ect. ect. ect.

Even if 25% of them did settle for the upcomming GTR, there would still be plenty of a demand for the true Skylines. I think the only way motorex is going to drop their prices is if they recoupe their investment, or if several RIs come into the game undercutting them by 10-20k.

[HellBent]

I think the only equitable solution here is to move to Japan! I'll be there in a few months. I can't wait!


BlueDandino,

I believe the reason that Motorex is the only RI is that there is only a small market for GT-Rs in the states, at the price they must charge. Anyone else entering that market will only get a share of the market. The price for a GT-R is sort of fixed, because a new RI would have to come up with their own methodolgy of meeting crash test specs, since MOTOREX's methodology is propietary. Then they would have to crash test the cars and such and incur the same costs as MOTOREX.

The thing that really p-ss-s me off is that I could go out and build a Shelby Cobra replica kit car, with no crash testing or emissions and spend a lot less. These kits are far more primitive and less safe than a stock Japanese spec Skyline, but still we can't bring one over. I call BS!

Just venting again!

Peace,

Al

[BlueDandino]

Yup HellBent,

You are right, there is no logic in a kit car being legal and a GTR stock from Japan being unsafe. Just doesn't make sense to me. It is all politics and bureaucracy.

One way to bring the Skyline in without the RI being involved, is to have someone replace the current engine with another engine from a car that is currently sold in the US. This is what Sun International does with the Lotus Elise and the cars a perfectly legal without any RI involvement.

The problem here is that the engine is the core of the appeal of the GTR.

Oh well, who knows what must be done to own a Skyline for a price that reflects the global value of the car.

:o

[SkylineUSA]

Yaeh,

I am going to ship my GTR over with a GEO Metro engine in it, and crate the engine up. When the car gets trough DOT, EPA, National Highway stuff in goes the RB26DETT, or a stroked 351W.....:finger: the Gov't....

[SkylineUSA]

Gonthrax,

When I get done with all my mods, I will have no problems driving my stang in any road conditions. I have already added the coil overs, and C/C plates and that has drastically changed the cars driving habits.

[HellBent]

I think the problem is more than the engine. From what I understand the Skyline doesn't meet US crash standards such as door beams, 5 mph bumpers, soft dash, knee impact standards, etc... All this is very costly. Since MOTOREX will probably not share their methodology of solving these issue, any new RI would have to start from scratch and crash test a car all over again. Ditto for emissions. What a farce!

You can still drive around a newer car with blown valves and be a gross polluter, yet a new skyline that barely misses US standards is no good. Not to mention how dirty diesels are, and they don't even get tested! Go figure!

My solution is for the government to stop wasting our tax dollars on these stupid restrictions, and just allow importation of any foriegn car that isn't grossly unsafe. If the car has a clean record of performance in Japan, then it should be good to go here. Since it isn't factory backed and in compliance with US standards slap a luxury tax on it and import tarriffs and call it even. This way you limit the numbers but don't make the car unattainable.

Now all you need to do is elect "HellBent" for president!

Later,

Al

[BlueDandino]

Nice way of looking at things

What Sun International does with the Elise is replace the engine, once this is done the car can be classified as a kit car, and does not have to meet any DOT or EPA requirements. That is what I understand.

It may be worth contacting Sun International and finding out if they can do an engine swap and get the GTR classified as a kit car? hmmm, interesting idea

Sun International:
[email protected] or [email protected]
www.sunspeed.com
Manhattan Beach, California, USA
Fax (310) 546-1343

[F=ma]

Originally posted by Gonthrax
From what I can gather they sell stock, 400awhp, 700hp and 1000hp R33s. Oh yea, and these are with LHD conversions.

Where do you gather this from?

[BlueDandino]

I haven't talked withe Sun International about cnverting an R34, but I have discussed the conversion of various versions of the Lotus Elise, which in its current form is not street legal in the US. After the Sun International conversion the Elise is street legal and can be registered as a kit car, presumably because it has a non-stock engine (and maybe some other minor modifications).

I was thinking that similar treatment can be performed on a GTR to make it street legal.

It is probably worth talking with Sun International, as they have a lot of experience legalizing non-street legal cars. Their approach has been to modify the cars to bring them to a point that they are considered kit cars, and can then be registered.

Just a thought.

[SkylineUSA]

If I do not bring a GTR back, I will bring an Elise back. I will strip it down, sale the engine and rebuild it myself when I get back. Its not the fact that the its a non stock engine, its the fact that the engine that install has already meets epa standards at least that is what I have read, and heard.

[6kid]

If you were goin to spend 80g's why would you buy a gtr?
You haven't driven enough cars! Buy a 15g supra or rx7 and stick 20g's into it and you would have a realiable good looking rice rocket that would blow the doors off any car you would encounter including a gtr.
If I was thinking of spending 80g's I would buy two or three cars, but if I had to stick to one fun car, I would get a new m3 cabrio or slk32 and put 20 grand into it.:smoker2:

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by F=ma



Where do you gather this from?

Speed Channel, they said exactialy what you quoted in your last post, and MotoRex advertises their phone number for LHD conversion on their website.

[SkylineUSA]

Supras are very nice. They have traction problems, or is that a myth?