2003 Cobra vs 2003 S2K *link*

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
I completly agree

Honda normally has better designs on interior and quality of styling etc, but is usually slower. As I see it

You hit the nail on the head. Usually slower. Compare the face of the Corvette driver who just got beat by the 2003 Mustang and the face of the same Corvette driver who got beat by a Civic hatchback, or worse, a Civic four-door. I am sure I would be framing the latter if I had a picture of it. This is what makes working on an "economy car" worthwhile for some people.

As for the S2000, it doesn't really fall in the same category as an "economy car", but in the same breath, I would ask you to look at a Porsche Boxster. The Boxster is 40 to 50 large of German engineering, yet is slower and even less handling capable than an S2000. At about $15,000 or much more. Compare that.

I don't know if any of you have ever driven a high-revving car with superb handling. It's not always about what it does in a straight line or an autocross course. When I had my 1990 Integra with the b16 that revved to 10,000 RPMs with an improved suspension system, I always found myself speeding more on curves, blipping the throttle to rev-match as I downshifted, and heel-toeing around sharp corners to keep the revs up. This is the kind of stuff Formula drivers experience everyday in their day job, except for the sequential gearing, and let me tell you, it was the best therapy in the world for me. If I had anything stressing me, I'd just go out to my favorite curvy/cop-free road, pretend I was a Formula driver, and go home, even finding a few street-challenges on the way. Fun.

With the S2000, it takes this Formula(pardon the pun), and amplifies it with top-down driving, and rear-wheel drive.

Oh, the '03 Mustang SVT is estimated to be around 36grand. I am sure when the dealers are done with this car, it'll be around 40 thou or more, just like the dealers did in the beginning with the S2K. The actual price for an S2000 is about 32 thousand dollars. I can take the 4 thousand dollar price difference and use that towards a supercharger(my preference for a no-torque monster like the S2K), and match or beat that(also) blown Mustang in the straight line.

Just saying. Putting things in perspective as it is.

[94svt5.0]

The s2000 is nice, have driven and ridden in them many times. There just not all that, the fun factor around town is low, get alot of looks though. The lack of bottom end keeps you from being able to slide out the rear, and makes it feel like a civic around town. Would take the 2003 cobra over the s2000 any time.

[AE101]

Originally posted by Self


Better build quality?? Doubtful. How do you come to that conclusion? You make unintelligent assumptions about a vehicle you know nothing about. You've never seen one in person most likely, you haven't heard anything about the vehicle other than the specs most likely, so you decide to bash its build quality...That's great...Secondly, the S2k better damn well out handle the heavier, larger, more powerful Cobra. And in my opinion the Cobra has the S2k beat in the fun-factor department.

Yeah, like i've never seen one. In fact I took a little ride in my freinds exactly one week ago. And for the Mustang Having a better built engine...um yeah. Right.

Being the owner of 6 Hondas, 2 Nissans, a Mazda, and a Toyota I think I know these cars all too well. Just to brew some more crap up. Ford Windstar vs. The Odyssey(which i currently have sitting in my driveway, so dont say i have never seen one)...

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
The s2000 is nice, have driven and ridden in them many times. There just not all that, the fun factor around town is low, get alot of looks though. The lack of bottom end keeps you from being able to slide out the rear, and makes it feel like a civic around town. Would take the 2003 cobra over the s2000 any time.

Okay. Did you read my post above yours? The Honda S2000 is not meant for sliding around the rear-end. You obviously employ a different style of driving and derive a different pleasure from cars as I do. The car is not "all that" to you, but to me it is. You persist in putting down the cars of choice in this forum, and flaunting your car of choice, like it'll change our minds about it. I admire your car, and your choices. They are all nice cars, but my admiration goes ONLY in that area. Your attitude towards people that don't parallel your choices or mirror your wants is, I can only say, poor.

Just like I won't tolerate Honda drivers who act boorish and put down other car's and their owners in here, I won't tolerate the opposite. Not saying that you are, but your general attitude and feeling in your posts point towards that direction. Just don't want it to go any further.

[Self]

Originally posted by AE101


Yeah, like i've never seen one. In fact I took a little ride in my freinds exactly one week ago. And for the Mustang Having a better built engine...um yeah. Right.

Being the owner of 6 Hondas, 2 Nissans, a Mazda, and a Toyota I think I know these cars all too well. Just to brew some more crap up. Ford Windstar vs. The Odyssey(which i currently have sitting in my driveway, so dont say i have never seen one)...

Doubtful...doubtful...

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Okay. Did you read my post above yours? The Honda S2000 is not meant for sliding around the rear-end. You obviously employ a different style of driving and derive a different pleasure from cars as I do. The car is not "all that" to you, but to me it is. You persist in putting down the cars of choice in this forum, and flaunting your car of choice, like it'll change our minds about it. I admire your car, and your choices. They are all nice cars, but my admiration goes ONLY in that area. Your attitude towards people that don't parallel your choices or mirror your wants is, I can only say, poor.

Just like I won't tolerate Honda drivers who act boorish and put down other car's and their owners in here, I won't tolerate the opposite. Not saying that you are, but your general attitude and feeling in your posts point towards that direction. Just don't want it to go any further.

Are you off your medication again? When did I put any car down? Please point out the phrase, group of words or sentence structure that illustrates your point. I stated facts, merely facts. All this coming from you has little value any way, the most biased, single minded and dare say, hypocritical moderator I have ever run into on any board. The only statment I said that was not fact is" the s2000 is not all that" granted it could beat my car on a road course with a compotent driver, but the s2000 is not living up to the hype that surrounded it when it came out. My question is this, have you even ridden in a s2000 before? I doubt it.

[DeViL]

You persist in putting down the cars of choice in this forum, and flaunting your car of choice, like it'll change our minds about it.

Dude what the fuck is your problem, no kidding he's flaunting his car of choice, isn't everyone? Your supposed to make a choice on this topic, what do you like better remember? So what are you trying to say he can't participate?

[J Roman]

In my opinion , I would much rather pay $32600 for a S2K then $38995 for a Cobra. For one, I think the S2000 has much more style and is more unique while the Cobra looks like all the other Mustangs out on the streets. I get tired of seeing 10 Mustangs just on my way home from school. If you want to have speed then throw in a s/c or turbo and you have yourself a S2000 that competes in 1/4 with the Cobra for about the same price. But I don't see why these two cars are being compared in the first place because they are so different and made for different reasons. Just my opinion...

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by J Roman
In my opinion , I would much rather pay $32600 for a S2K then $38995 for a Cobra. For one, I think the S2000 has much more style and is more unique while the Cobra looks like all the other Mustangs out on the streets. I get tired of seeing 10 Mustangs just on my way home from school. If you want to have speed then throw in a s/c or turbo and you have yourself a S2000 that competes in 1/4 with the Cobra for about the same price. But I don't see why these two cars are being compared in the first place because they are so different and made for different reasons. Just my opinion...

Your entitled to your opinion. I think the comparison is more of a joke because the cars ARE so different.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



I stated facts, merely facts. All this coming from you has little value any way, the most biased, single minded and dare say, hypocritical moderator I have ever run into on any board. The only statment I said that was not fact is" the s2000 is not all that" granted it could beat my car on a road course with a compotent driver, but the s2000 is not living up to the hype that surrounded it when it came out. My question is this, have you even ridden in a s2000 before? I doubt it.

The facts you presented are facts only to you. The fact that the S2K's rear-end cannot be slid easily is an asset to some people, especially on a track. This is what I meant when I said you derive a different pleasure from cars than I in particular, most Honda drivers in general. "The S2000 is not all that" was never a fact in MY or some other people's minds, therefore is an opinion. Saying "the S2K is just not my kind of car" is a better way of expressing your opinion without sounding like you're making an opinion for everybody else reading your post. I never said you were putting down the car(at least in literation), but your tone, not just in this post, but in some of your other posts talking about Honda cars, definitely shows your lack of enthusiasm for Honda cars...and that's putting it mildly. I do not aim to chnge your opinions about Honda's, but just merely try to make you realize how you're sounding to at least one person in this board...moderator or not. Also, can you believe it? A HONDA board moderator biased towards HONDA?...and DAMN!...he's ALSO biased against people biased against HONDA!...what's the world coming to?

I am a Honda guy. I am also a car guy, through and through. What you'd have to realize, is that if most Honda drivers didn't respect your kind of car, they wouldn't be working so hard to try and beat it. The Honda guys here that talk the most smack about Mustangs are usually the proudest ones when they beat one, and the maddest when they lose to one...that in itself is one of the highest forms of respect I could think of you could give to a car.

One last thing. I might not own an S2K, but I know at least 3 people who own one, including my friend who owns the CRX who runs low 13's high 12's all-motor...he owns his own shop, and will be supercharging his S2K as soon as Comptech ships the SC. I also work currently at a performance/show parts shop here in AZ that caters to most modern cars...including OMG! Mustangs! This is how I can talk about the stupid V6 'Stang owners who do nothing but ricey crap to their cars. Anyways, I have had the privilege of riding and driving an S2K, thank you, and for that matter, several Mustang variations (GT 5.0, V6, GT 4.6, 4.6 SVT) and was even able to go around the block in the new 450HP Roush...nice.

Originally posted by DeViL


Dude what the fuck is your problem, no kidding he's flaunting his car of choice, isn't everyone? Your supposed to make a choice on this topic, what do you like better remember? So what are you trying to say he can't participate

I don't care if anybody flaunts their car. It's just not right to make other makes look bad to make your choice seem better. Especially if the make your putting down down happens to be the host of the board you're posting in. I was just intervening before the dumbasses find their way in here start an actual flame war, instead of a discussion like this. Also, for opinions' sake, I should tell you that if I had a choice, and I was buying a brand new car right now, I'd probably get the 350Z over both cars discussed. The 350Z is as fast as the S2K, though doesn't handle as good, with more usable torque, for almost ten-thousand less.

[94svt5.0]

Okay in a previous post you say Im putting cars down, then in this last post you say you never said that I put any car down. Can you not read? After I make any knid of statement I will put a disclaimer, "does not repersent the view of others on this board" Would that make you feel better? You are one big hypocrite. You go on about how I put cars down and that I only like one brand and that I dont like hondas ect. ect. Then you turn around and bash mustangs and "flaunt" the "greatness" of honda. You say I dont show enthusiasm for Honda, were is your enthusiasm for Ford?? So, basicaly the only thing else I have to say to you is, deal with it. Im not changing the way I post or the way I think because some hypocrite, poor example of a moderator does not like it. I like FORD Mustangs, Im not a big fan of hondas, though I do have a 91 civic. I AM going to flaunt the Cobra over other cars, because it is the car of my choice. So, get your act straight, drop your double standard, and we might just quit wasting bandwith. If not, learn to live with it.

[Prelewd]

You say I dont show enthusiasm for Honda, were is your enthusiasm for Ford??

Carnutt says:

...and was even able to go around the block in the new 450HP Roush....nice.

Able like it's a privilege. Nice like it's nice.

This comment could be misconstrued as an insult to the S2K:

There just not all that, the fun factor around town is low, get alot of looks though. The lack of bottom end keeps you from being able to slide out the rear, and makes it feel like a civic around town.

That's like calling your mustang an escort.

Also, 94svt... Just so you don't accuse me for being biased. I personally have much respect for many of the mustang owners who actually do their car right. I find myself being a closet '88 5.0 fan. That probably doesn't mean much to you, but coming from a family that has always shunned Ford, it really is. I have always, ever since I could remember, been a domestic and a Chevy fan. I built a '65 chev pickup from literally almost nothing. My point is, is that I have been learning about the other side (imports and fords), and making judgements based on what I know about the other cars and how their drivers feel about them.

For college, I needed an economical car because my small block just wasn't cutting it for gas mileage. I first went to the prelude board on AF and read the posts. You get an uncanny sense of pride when you read their posts. That sense of pride is one of the main things that drew me to that particular car. I looked at it and said, "I want that pride". Now I can feel that pride, in both of my vehicles. I would never get rid of my pickup, it's my pride and joy. I give my lude almost equal respect because it is the engineering marvel that is the automobile.

The founder of Honda used to follow Model Ts and smell the oil that they leaked. To him it was perfume... and inspiration.

[Self]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
You say I dont show enthusiasm for Honda, were is your enthusiasm for Ford?? So, basicaly the only thing else I have to say to you is, deal with it. Im not changing the way I post or the way I think because some hypocrite, poor example of a moderator does not like it. I like FORD Mustangs, Im not a big fan of hondas, though I do have a 91 civic. I AM going to flaunt the Cobra over other cars, because it is the car of my choice. So, get your act straight, drop your double standard, and we might just quit wasting bandwith. If not, learn to live with it.

lol...Look around yourself, realize where you are...You're in the HONDA FORUM!!! Why is it such a surprise that the moderators here like Honda's? Where is his enthusiasm for Ford?? Even though I think he does have some, why does he have to?? He's a moderator in a HONDA FORUM!! NOT a Ford forum! If you want people to have enthusiasm for Fords...Then go here...http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f737/ ...Enjoy yourself, and don't EVER come back into these HONDA FORUMS AGAIN!! That would save yourself trouble, us your bitching, and automotiveforums.com bandwidth
Unfortunately for you, he doesn't have to "deal with it". He's the moderator remember? And therefor he has the right to ban you whenever he damn well pleases...And you can deal with that. You don't like Honda's, don't like most of the people in here, don't like the S2k, and don't like the moderators of this forum...Why is it exactly that you waste time coming here?? If you want to flaunt the Cobra over all other cars...Refer to the link above and you'll be good to go. So maybe you should get YOUR act straightened up in these HONDA FORUMS. Or learn to live with the fact that you're not wanted here.

[94svt5.0]

Hey -self I dont like hondas. Do I care if you want me here? NO! Am I tired of the chilidish arguments with the likes of you and carnutt? Yes! Deal with it, if you dont like me thats your problem. Every one else flaunts there car, should I not? I am entitled to my opinion as are you all. Think you can learn to live with that?

[TerminalVelocity]

Fact

The S2K requires a perfect driver to make it a good car

Cause

High power curve, need for a high rpm launch, very tight handling configuration.

Fact

The S2k is NOWHERE NEAR an F1 car

How high does the Civic rev? wow, its like an f1....because it revs higher than a cobra...or my t-bird.

F1 Cars rev twice as high as S2K's And over and over, everytime I see F1 racing, the Honda car breaks something, the driver and commenters talk about it "They are amazing cars, but they just try to push too much out of them, something has to give when its put under this much stress"

Rumor

I have heard of MANY S2K's having alot of problems with Forced induction, they need huge ammonuts of cash to get it working right, and tuned well, not simply 4 grand, more like 10. Thus putting it quite a bit above cobra price range.

Fact

The Cobra is designed to be not only extremly fast in the straitaway, but handle better than mostly everything on the market, I have heard of many many times cobras (00-02) beating Corvettes, S2Ks, Vipers etc on road courses with comperable drivers.

Now, why is all this here, why not argue on the site where the STATS are given, this helps out a tremounds ammount....

Fact

Convertables DONT handle as well as hardtops, mis-distrubited weight, heaver, poor areodynamics.


Fact

Carnutt, you said you dont tollerate honda drivers putting down other cars

THATS ALL THIS FORUM IS!

Opinion

I like how the S2K looks, but when it gets up to speed it has too much windage against it,in my opinion throwing off the handling

Well my my, it goes down to drivers dosent it?

So if you wanna argue, dont say "Ive ---"
Say "The horsepower to weight ratio" or "the front suspension on the Cobra..."

I completly agree with 94svt5.0 in what hes saying

Sure it handles well, so does the cobra, just as well I would say. If not better that is

Fact

The Cobra is faster

Sure, it looks like other mustangs to someone who dosent know anything about cars

But the fact is

the Sk2

Its a honda....:bandit: