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[amy@af]

dropshop. you can either get the parts list and find a bunch of it yourself and then dropshop will weld up the intercooler and a few other custom parts (adapter plate and so on). that is the $1500 route. or you can just ask him to build you the kit and he'll sell it all to you for $2000. he has been putting together junkyard "kits"

[Fireforge79]

Here's the skinny, i will not be starting the project till like Dec. Nomatter which one i choose to do. One think i can say is ill have about $7K in project money, if i was wanting to do a swap what is the easiest, wha swap will have the biggest aftermarket, and will be able to get me into the 11 sec catagory (I have changed my mind about mid - low 12's it's just to slow.) And you guys have been a lot of help.

Oh yeah can any one tell me what would have to be changed to fit a CRX body kit onto a 88hatch. If it's even possible. the side skirts im not to worried aboutjust the bumpers.

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi


i am a huge d series block fan. the b16 requires tranny, axels, motor mounts, shift linkage, and a bunch of other bs....ends up costing like $1800+...and it's doesn't drop right in, requires welding.

parts for the b16 (aftermarket/performance) cost more. and if you get a japanese b16 it is suggested you rebuild it because a lot of them have been sitting and the seals go bad.

ami

ok i only spend 1600 on my whole swap. 1800 plus?? Well yeh it'll end up that way if you lose all your bolts and accessories. It does not require welding. So i don't know where you got your info from but i can tell you it doesn't require welding. Its true if you get a JDM b16 and sometimes you do have to rebuild it. Hey alot of ppl don't mind doin this so when they rebuild it they rebuild it with aftermarket parts. Alot ppl dont care if it needs to be rebuild as long as they get there hands on one.

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by civickiller
yeah my friends has a 93 cx, which means its lighter than our 4th gens with a sohc vtec in it, with the skunk 2 stage 1 cam,i/h/e. and he raced a 4th gen b16a. and sorry to say to you sohc vtec fans, my friend got spanked.




ok so say you setup your gsr motor with 11.5:1 ratio, now your probably around 190hp which is still only mid 14s to low 14s. now ssay you get your valve train in, which will probably add around 40hp. so now your at 230hp which will probably get you to the low 13s. dont forget since you said you using a b16a1 head on teh gsr its gonna lower your comp ratio about .2 points. as you increase your comp ratio the amount of hp youll get will go down from each increase in comp ratio
my friend with a integra ls runs a 14.0 with his car. hes gots the stock motor i/h/e, clutch, lsd, slicks and runs a 75 shot. so hes got 140hp plus 75 hp which is 215hp but his car is heavier so i put him in the mid 13 if his motor was inside a 4th gen hatch. the only problem with all motor is taht you cant really go hihger than 12:1 comp ratio unless you plan on running racing fuel. so right there you hit a wall, and you probably will only be at about 250 hp which will be 12s i think but even a 12:1 its not really that streetable. with a turbo you can go up to 16psi on pump gas and thats already into the 300 plus hp

Ok it doesn't have to be a GSR to go 12's all motor. IT can be a b16 with a stroker kit! We all know that bumping up the compression is not gonna add crazy hp. 12:1 on pump gas? I don't think so. I know the highest you can go is 11:5 on pump gas? Either way thats why i'm getting that bare gsr block. SO i can replace aftermarket parts.

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by Fireforge79

Oh yeah can any one tell me what would have to be changed to fit a CRX body kit onto a 88hatch. If it's even possible. the side skirts im not to worried aboutjust the bumpers.

No its not gonna fit.The hatchback front bumper has a valance piece and the crx doesn't. I guess u can try to fit it but you might have to shave it to make it fit rite.

[amy@af]

Originally posted by mellowboy


ok i only spend 1600 on my whole swap. 1800 plus?? Well yeh it'll end up that way if you lose all your bolts and accessories. It does not require welding. So i don't know where you got your info from but i can tell you it doesn't require welding. Its true if you get a JDM b16 and sometimes you do have to rebuild it. Hey alot of ppl don't mind doin this so when they rebuild it they rebuild it with aftermarket parts. Alot ppl dont care if it needs to be rebuild as long as they get there hands on one.

oh damn, i said $1800 instead of $1600 whatever guy. so you got a blue light special. the avg. b16 swap goes for $1800-$2000. and not sometimes you have to rebuild it...it is reccomended everytime...because it has been sitting. the seals go bad. same thing with the ZC.

this is exactly why i can't stand everybody cramming the b16 down the new people throats. oh yea...it's only $1600...compared to $800 swap, $1600 is cheap? "you only need to rebuild sometimes"....compared to a USDM engine that you don't even have to consider rebuilding. b16 is a custom swap (oh it isn't? then why do you need mounts, tranny, linkage, ecu and all the other b.s.). the d series drops right in...you can even use the stock tranny, ecu, and motor mounts.

so lets see...someone is looking for a simple cheap swap that can go turbo and still have money left for rims and bodykit. okay, lets suggest the $1600 b16 + $2500 5 psi turbo (good luck finding it that cheap).

oh but i'm just a stupid girl because i only spent $780 on my swap...i'm spending $1500 on my 10-20 psi turbo. man, life will sure suck.

ps. battle of the imports winner '95 was a 88 Civic. ran 12.31 @ 112mph on a d15b2 turbo engine. so techincally...you don't even need an engine swap!

[slammed89civic]

YEA!!! SOCK IT TO HIM AMI.......lol

[Setanta]

Geez Ami, are you causing trouble again??!!!!

I thought I was the obnoxious one on the forums - time to hand over the crown I think.

Stop picking on the kiddies please, I'm running out of tissues for them

BTW - what's a B16A swap? Some of us don't need it :smoka:

Sorry - just had to throw that in - it's not your fault you guys drive on the wrong side of the road and can't get decent imports

/me gets out asbestos underwear

[QuickSilverEF9]

Um you are under estimating the price of an actual b16a swap.. Cheapest I have seen on the west cost (internet) is $2800. Mine will cost $4300.. Though I might go Sohc vtec turbo

[amy@af]

Originally posted by Setanta
[b]Geez Ami, are you causing trouble again??!!!!

I thought I was the obnoxious one on the forums - time to hand over the crown I think.

is that why we agree :argue: to disagree so well?

here is my thing. someone comes to the boards and everybody suggests the b16 or zc...only because they have been the trend for the last 3-4 years. i remember i heard marked001 talking about the sohc vtec right before the "mini-me" hype started. i checked out some links he posted and it interested me. i didn't need a swap at the time so i just filed the info in my brain as a possibility. time came i needed an engine, i did a little more researching and found the sohc vtec to be the all around best swap for the price...and other reasons i mentioned earlier.

there is no time better than now to pick up a y8. 96-00 civic owners do swaps all the time. it's hard not to giggle when i say the engine now has 13,000 miles. that engine only sat in the '00 civic 1 year. :ylsuper

i have seriously been considering leaving the Si with the y8 the way it is and swapping (4 door LX) "hoopty whoop's" AT for MT and then turbo my old a6 i stuck in it. turbo sohc non vtec, proven a 12 sec, now, that will really piss people off :hehe:

[spy54]

yes ami but a 12 second NA sohc non-vtec hasn't been proven.... DONT TAKE MY IDEA!

[Setanta]

lol - now if I was going to build a 12 second car, I wouldn't care if it was NA or forced induction I don't buy into the idea that it's more honourable to build a fast NA engine - more expensive - yes but not a car with more cred.

[civickiller]

the only problem i got with the sohc vtec is that it will require more boost to equal a turboed b16. becuase you can turbo a b16 @ 16psi but to get the same hp out of the sohc vtec then you probably gotta raise it to like 18-20 psi which is pretty dangerous on pump gas. if i only wanted a 12-13 sec car then i would go turbo sohc vtec but i want faster.

mellow boy, ive heard that stroker kits arent that reliable and break easy.

yeah b16 swaps go for around $3000, thats a complete swap, ready to drive out. since the b16a is like the most popular swap around, everyone and their moms have one, it has alot of performance aftermarket. but if you want to go 11s then your gonna need alot more than $7000 id say about $10 grand because you are gonna need to build the motor up alittle

[Fireforge79]

I thank each and every one of you for the information that has been given. It has all been very heplfull, and i think i will end up going with the d16 and a turbo system.

But dont stop feeding in the info all that can be supplied will be put to use some how. I think i have a friend that is getting ready to swap a B16 into his 91 hatch. so keep the info coming.

[mellowboy]

LadyNredSi: I don't know why u are gettin offended. It seems like theres some ppl here are down for you cause u seem to think u can shut ppl up of what you are sayin. If i offended u then i guess i'm sorry. Everyone have a b16? So mostly ppl have hondas whats ur point? U sound like a domestic owner or them supras and dsm owners. They all be sayin, "oh why u get a honda for ...get a supra and spend like 1300 bucks just make it 12 seconds already instead of spending 5-10 grand on making your lil honda goin 11's." U see my point? I'm not bein disrespectful here but sohc engines are harder to tune and it takes alot of work. You know that ebisi guy or something thats running high 10's on a sohc? Well don't think its easy to reach to that point cause its not. LOTS of money is involved and LOTS LOTS of tuning. I swear to u that i'm impressed that you do swaps and i have no problem with that. My girl works on her own car which she has a 2000 blue si. I'm happy for her cause not many girls do that. For me i think goin sohc is not worth it for your money but it is worth it if you wanna be different. I don't care if the whole damn world have a b-series swap. If i was to think like you then i wouldn't be driven a honda. I would be driving a dsm or vr4's . With 7 grand that guy can hit 12's on an all motor b16. Stroker kits are reliable it depends on what brand u get actually. Garage Kwai ( local shop) has a hatchback that runs 12's and he stroked it up to 1.8 i think? Well anyways he been driven it for 2 years. THe only problem it eats alot of gas which i'm not really worried about. SO let the guy choose whatever he wants. Don't tell him "everyone gots a b16". If he wants a sohc then by all means go for it. Just remember u gonna have problems down the road especially when goin turbo. So once again Ami i'm not tryin to make u look stupid cause u are a girl , we are just both expressing our opinions thats all.