supra TT vs NSX

[C32Bperformance]

Ok, nobody has posted much any facts here to make ANY kind of desicion. Here is what i know.

The Supra TT weighs 3500lbs
NSX-R weighs 2900lbs

NSX dyno: 277rwhp/206rwkw
Supra TT (never seen dyno) 320hp (generous) probably 290 on the ground.

I have videos of stock NSX type S running 13 flats, a 12'8 one run
I also have videos of the Supra TT, running high 13's, almost a 14 flat
I have vid of NSX beating a Skyline GT-R R34, (yes you skyline fans, but allow me to finish).
Vid of same skyline owning a supra TT.

Skyline stock boost is .4 bar (5.8psi) fairly low and can easily be turned up to take on an NSX. (IMO)

The Comptech Forced induction you guys see on 500hp NSX's is boosting under 10psi. Very much room for improvement. (IMO) (Also barely more than the stock TT on the Supra)

Handling:

NSX is lighter
NSX has a lower center of gravity
NSX has a wider wheel base

Quality:

Every NSX is hand built (only 25 per day/slowest honda factory in Japan)
Supras come from a machine factory (thousands were made in many diff palces a day)

Every NSX is rediculously examined and tested when it is out of the factory. (fact)
I am unsure of the Supras inspection, but if it was as grueling, it wouldnt be as cheap as it is. (IMO)

The engineering:

The best piece of tech on the supra is the turbo.

The NSX has a body designed like a formula one car. (Fact, Soichiro's goal was to bring racing to the people, because he loved it so much.)
Lets not forget the NSX is NA and the Supra is turbo
(IMO VTEC is another great piece of engineering on that car. I dont mean to sound like a ricer, but give this design credit. I wouldnt really have to say that, though, if any of you had actually seen the internals of a vtec in action. Or at least the parts in the head that make the magic happen.)


My final thoughts:

There are more things to learn about both cars, but make your own desicion.

MY opinion is this. The Supra does not even compare to the NSX. The Supra is a sports car. Nothing more. Its slower than the NSX, breaks faster, doesnt handle as good, treats you worse when your rollin, and for damn sure doesnt have a taste of the NSX's purity. How is that important you say? I suppose it isnt. But when I see a Supra, its like a gray, a statistic.

The NSX strikes me as a white, an emotion. I just cant explain it, except with those facts... The NSX has a grip on me different than any car out there. It may sound cheesy but there it is damn it, I love that car.

[del]

when people on this board compare two cars, they automatically want to know the tunability of both cars. only then will they give a "fair" comparison.

of course a tuned supra can be made to outperform an nsx. a tuned civic can be made to outperform an nsx for cryin out loud.

it makes no sense to only compare a car based on the ease with which it can be modified. the V6 in the NSX is already tuned out of its gore, so obviously it'll be harder to extract more power out of it.

for a smaller displacement engine and 290hp naturally aspirated, there's not as much potential as opposed to running a twin turbocharged setup, where you can easily adjust boost for more power. no shit is your supra going to respond better and easier to modifications.

not everyone who buys these cars are into modifying them. so automatically counting one car out coz it's not as easy to tune isn't a fair comparison. saying the supra is a much better car coz the nsx doesnt' have the potential is a completely biased and unjustifiable statement.

[Polygon]

My only beef with the NSX is the price, which is WAY too high.

[C32Bperformance]

Ok del, i mean no hostility by this, but how can you say that the NSX cant be tuned anymore?

Yes it is a well tuned machine from the factory, but that really, and truely isnt the determinant of the potential of the car. The fact that its rare is what makes it a little harder to tune, not that its already tuned.

Otherwise, would you say that a turbo civic from the factory has no more potential since its already tuned? Is this the reason why we see civics running 8's? Its the fact that many ppl drive them that companies make parts for them. (IMO a car must be reliable before it can be fast.)

Now do you really think that a civic has more potential than an NSX??

Potential lies ENTIRELY in the availability of resources. Its all economy and business.

But even if you still dont agree with that, then my other tool is this. The NSX makes much more horsepower with much less boost than a Supra.

IMO that means the NSX is easier to tune.

By the way, the Mugen NSX places 483 hp on the pavement NA. It's a 3.5L @ 9000 Rpms. I would definitely think that from this info, one could conclude that the NSX (stocker) can be tuned much more.

And, BTW, it isnt THAT difficult to lower compression for hard boost.

Another way you could look at it is that the NSX already has a head start on the Supra, not less potential.

I just dont think that anybody in here can actually put a limit on the potential of ANY car. Hell, if ppl made parts for them, we'd see daewoos and kias running 8's. But they break, so ppl dont race them, and businesses dont make the parts. With the NSX, nobody does any research, and thinks its not worth it. IMO the NSX is worth every friggin penny. So if there were a bunch of ppl like me driving cars, the NSX would be thought of as having more potential than the Supra, when the reality is that its the same. Potential really is something you cant put a limit on.

[del]

Originally posted by C32Bperformance
Ok del, i mean no hostility by this, but how can you say that the NSX cant be tuned anymore?

Yes it is a well tuned machine from the factory, but that really, and truely isnt the determinant of the potential of the car. The fact that its rare is what makes it a little harder to tune, not that its already tuned.

Otherwise, would you say that a turbo civic from the factory has no more potential since its already tuned? Is this the reason why we see civics running 8's? Its the fact that many ppl drive them that companies make parts for them. (IMO a car must be reliable before it can be fast.)

Now do you really think that a civic has more potential than an NSX??

Potential lies ENTIRELY in the availability of resources. Its all economy and business.

But even if you still dont agree with that, then my other tool is this. The NSX makes much more horsepower with much less boost than a Supra.

IMO that means the NSX is easier to tune.

By the way, the Mugen NSX places 483 hp on the pavement NA. It's a 3.5L @ 9000 Rpms. I would definitely think that from this info, one could conclude that the NSX (stocker) can be tuned much more.

And, BTW, it isnt THAT difficult to lower compression for hard boost.

Another way you could look at it is that the NSX already has a head start on the Supra, not less potential.

I just dont think that anybody in here can actually put a limit on the potential of ANY car. Hell, if ppl made parts for them, we'd see daewoos and kias running 8's. But they break, so ppl dont race them, and businesses dont make the parts. With the NSX, nobody does any research, and thinks its not worth it. IMO the NSX is worth every friggin penny. So if there were a bunch of ppl like me driving cars, the NSX would be thought of as having more potential than the Supra, when the reality is that its the same. Potential really is something you cant put a limit on.

penny for penny and mod for mod, the supra is shitloads easier to tune than the nsx. i've seen 900hp+ street supra tt's. have you seen any nsx's close to that? i'm not sayin it's impossible to tune an nsx, it just doesnt' come as easily as it does to supras, and other cars like the skyline and rx-7.

for example, you put $20,000 in mods into a supratt, and you put $20,000 of the same mods into an nsx, i guarantee you the supra will be the faster of the two. that's all i'm sayin. you can throw in thousands upon thousands into an nsx and make it as fast as you want, faster than any supra if you can. to extract a certain amount of additional hp out of a supra tt, you'd have to pour in more to get that same amount out of an nsx. make sense?

[Polygon]

Originally posted by YogsVR4
As usual, it all comes down to taste.

As always.

[C32Bperformance]

It isnt that much more expensive, 8 grand for the comptech SC, bolt on to 500hp for NSX.

5 grand for Supra, bolt on about 450 (T60) The T66 is about 550-600. I dont know how expensive it is though. And the HKS GT 3037 is the real big dog, it makes about 800+, but thats after some tuning and motor internals and its a $13,500 kit.

I'm also unsure the prices for Mugen internals. But with the mods that the Castrol NSX had, its mostly the basic internal ups: Cams, Rods, Pistons, Valves, ECU, and Bored to 3.5L all Mugen parts. It also had a throttle body done, intake manifold, and exhaust, but that doesnt make the most of the power. (and yes Im aware that Mugen parts are pricey, but that could be done mostly under your 20k dollar setup, not including the SC of course)

I would also like to note that the NSX is faster with less power since its lighter, about 500lbs lighter.

I'm just thinkin were going to have to disagree. Cuz to me, it doesnt seem like the Supra is so much cheapr that you have to spend "thousands upon thousands" to make the NSX faster (after purchase that is and no sarcasm intended)

[JSpecSupraTT]

Supra TT vs NSX. . .what will win??? The answer to this question completely depends on a more specific question. 0-60? 1/4 mile? on the track? Someone was trying to list the fact of the supra vs nsx. He isnt very smart since he only knew the "real" facts of the Nsx and wasnt putting any kind of real data behind the supra. If you look around the internet you will easily find information on both cars. I respect the Nsx because basically in stock trim, you are purchasing a $90,000 streetable race car(estimated price). The supra, used since that is the only way you can get one now, can be bought for about $23-40,000 depending on milage and condition of the car. If you mean in stock form, the Nsx would outperform the supra in almost all aspects of testing a car. But you see, the results would be very close. Also, the price difference clues you in to the performance facts. I have seen Supras putting down awesome times and impressive numbers down in stock trim. If you mean modded, then there is no comparison. The Supra is easily #2 in my top "streetable" modded cars. This car comes in only second to a mildly stronger Gt-R34. In Japan they have 1,500+ All Wheel Horsepower Gt-R's and 1,400+ rear wheel horsepower Supras. If you do not believe me, please go to www.Suprastore.com and either email them or look at the owners car. He has a street driven Supra that puts down an amazing 902 rwhp dyno. Yes! Its true! Also go to www.racingflix.com and check out the dyno tests. There is one video of a Skyline putting down 1158 awhp, not tuned and not at full boost. Well, it all comes down to your own personal style. . .muscle or import. . .

[JSpecSupraTT]

The Supra from www.Suprastore.com that puts 902 rwhp to the ground is for sale. It is equipped with nos, but when the dyno test was taken he was NOT, i repeat, WAS NOT USING NOS. This number of 902 comes completely from Turbo and engine mods. The post directly above my first post talks about the t66 and the HKS GT3037 kit. I am familiar with both of these turbo kits and know that certain cars will always win if these cars are piloted(since they go as fast as airplanes we will call the drivers pilots) by very knowledgable drivers. If you choose the correct gear and the correct rpm, you should be able to come out on top in races against stronger cars. As for the power of these kits, the t66 kit offers 500 to 600 plus wheel horsepower depending on other engine mods. The stock block supra engine can handle 600 wheel horsepower. It has been proven. Chris Cannard ran an official 11.08 quarter mile e.t. with the stock heads never taken off and the stock 6 speed manual tranny. Veilside has a supra that runs a 10 second quarter on street legal tires. The HKS GT3037 turbo kit is one of the strongest available for the supra in America. I am guessing that with a built motor and this kit, the Supra should be able to make over 1,000 horse power at the wheels. This kit alone has been dyno tested and proven to make over 900 rwhp. All of you that think you know cars, probably goes on the internet and only looks up things for your favorite car. Maybe you should look up data on other cars so that when you pull up next to a car at a street light and wonder what it is, then less than 10 seconds later after the light turns green, you are still wondering what that car was. . .maybe it would have been a good idea to take the time and find out more info on Muscle Beaters such as the supra so this scenario wont happen to you. . .

[C32Bperformance]

I have a website of my own it turns out...

www.cybernationmotorsports.com

If anybody makes a 1000hp NSX, it will be these guys. They're stage 1 (out of a projected 4) bolt on turbo kit pushed the NSX motor to 423hp i believe at the wheels. For anybody whos interested...

[JSpecSupraTT]

a 30 psi civic was the first thing i saw. That is an impressive hp number. The torque as well. But if you boost anything to 30 psi. . .its usually not street drivable. Unless, its a Supra, Nsx or some other 6 cylinder beast. That just poppoed out at me. Nice site. But, so far in Japan, I believe that the Supra is held on a much higher plateau than the Nsx. Nsx is great, but Japanese people will agree it is not cost effective. But like your saying says, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". So depending on your personal style and CARisma, doesnt matter whats faster, it matters what you actually have in your garage.

[C32Bperformance]

i suppose, for all of the NSX fans out there, heres the stats on steph papadakis' new drag motor for this year:

They went with the 3.0L bottom, 10,000rpm heads, fuel cooled intake charge (no intercooler, they cool it with extra fuel injectors, 16 total on the motor, methanol) a 25psi twin turbo setup and enough spare parts to build five identical motors. The motor makes 1,400hp, and the car is projected to run 6.60s in the 1320, and if it does, he'll have the fastest pro drag rear drive car in the league this year, im excited to see what the motor can do with more boost!

[nicotine251]

i heard the new nsx thats gonna come out...has 400hp, thats a lot of hp....but personally for 80,000 bucks i can get a legalized skyline and some mods....
but anyways thats just my own 2 cents.

[engineer]

ever watched a stock supra being pushed on a circuit? roll, understeer, lurching nosediving etc... now i think id rather be driving the car that had its suspension tuned by none other than AYRTON SENNA... but how can you really compare these cars? for track work (circuit not drag), autoX, tarmac rallys, touge etc the NSX is infinitely superior, but for daily driving, cruising, drag and opening her up on the highway the supra owns... but when modified heavily the NSX will beat the supra in almost everything.... on a side note, the supra RZ-R was the top factory supra ever produced, it will get its ass kicked in any category by an NSX s-zero or NSX type R, in fact there arent many cars save 4 european supercars that can beat a type R NSX... so im really going to have to give my vote to the japanese ferrari

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by nicotine251

i heard the new nsx thats gonna come out...has 400hp, thats a lot of hp....but personally for 80,000 bucks i can get a legalized skyline and some mods....
but anyways thats just my own 2 cents.

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