M3 & STi

[Right_LiRrr]

Originally Posted by 209 SRT

ok all this fast talk about the 06 wrx makes me want to go test one out....I think I might go and do that on my lunch since the subby stealership is two stealerships down from my work anyways....I mean damn I test drove last years model it it was the biggest dissapointment ever.... the cobalt ss's on our lot were faster than that.....did they make them that much faster this year...I mean sti's cant even beat E46 m3's on a roll....so you mean the 06 wrx's are faster than the 05 sti's....or is your car just talented...

The 06 WRX is supposedly underrated and is pushing out about 230hp at all 4s. That's the only good explanantion i've heard about why they're so fast. And fast they supposedly are, i've heard all kinds of stories from all kinds of people.

However, I've never heard of them being as fast as Maxxus claims in his threads, i.e. hanging with STi's and beating M3s and pulling 13.6s. But he's gonna prove me wrong, aren't ya buddy? I can't wait to see those timeslips...cos then i think i might have to upgrade.

[2000LS1Z28]

No offense but STi's ain't anything to brag about stock. I've seen them plenty of times at the track. Redneck beat one, and an M3 in his primarily stock Z28. They can be modded to be plenty quick, but stock, they're nothing to brag about. I mean they run mid 13's at best from what i've seen at the track up here (Actually high 13's). That's with dudes side stepping the clutch.

As for the M3, I dunno. I've never raced one, though Danno and Redneck have. Danno said it was really ugly.

I'll run Maxxus at the strip, and hand him a loss. If I can get access to a video camera i'll videotape us, so you can see how fast he runs. Hopefully he plays it smart and doesn't launch his car at 1500rpms against me, cause i'll be launching at 4K rpms on drag radials.

[Right_LiRrr]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

No offense but STi's ain't anything to brag about stock. I've seen them plenty of times at the track. Redneck beat one, and an M3 in his primarily stock Z28. They can be modded to be plenty quick, but stock, they're nothing to brag about. I mean they run mid 13's at best from what i've seen at the track up here (Actually high 13's). That's with dudes side stepping the clutch.

As for the M3, I dunno. I've never raced one, though Danno and Redneck have. Danno said it was really ugly.

I'll run Maxxus at the strip, and hand him a loss. If I can get access to a video camera i'll videotape us, so you can see how fast he runs. Hopefully he plays it smart and doesn't launch his car at 1500rpms against me, cause i'll be launching at 4K rpms on drag radials.

Are you talking to me? Because I'm not offended at all that you say an STi is not that fast....as long as you're talking about a drag strip

On a track that's a completely different story.

I can see why Americans are generally disappointed with STis and Evos. That's because you hear from Japan and everywhere else that these things are hell fast. Then you guys get them and take them onto an American highway with a z28 or SRT-10 Viper, step on the gas and wonder where they went.

In a lot of ways, I'm glad America never got the Skyline GTR (another car with a great reputation). I think a large proportion of you all would be highly disappointed with it too. Because it is also just another mid 13s car. Evos and STis are very good competition for GTRs and run very similar track times - especially the Evos (all being stock of course - dollar for dollar in mods a GTR would kill any car).

But a video would be cool...then again, you can make most cars look slow, lol, so i still wanna see his timeslip more.

[MaXXuS]

Originally Posted by Right_LiRrr

I see on ur car domain that u're planning on getting a turbo timer, that's a complete waste of money for your car, u know that right?

But judgin on ur current mod list and the pics of ur suburb, money is obvously not a factor for you hahahaha.

Why will it be a waste? Even when the car is re-flashed and everything is installed, it is still pointless?

[Right_LiRrr]

Originally Posted by MaXXuS

Why will it be a waste? Even when the car is re-flashed and everything is installed, it is still pointless?

Yes because a turbo timer is designed to give u covenience when letting hte turbo cool down after a run.

Subaru has stated on many occasions from about MY01 onwards, their turbo systems do not need any special treatment to allow the trubo to cool down. In fact, they suggest not running on boost for the last 1-3 min of the trip will be enough to let the turbo cool down. However, most owners like me will wait an additional 30-60seconds inside the car idling before switiching off - because we're paranoid, not because it's necessary.

Of course this is not the case if you are running a bigger turbo which u are clearly not.

However, if you have the money, why not live that luxury life of not having to wait 1 min in ur car before switching the engine off.

Ask on any Subaru forum and they will tell u that it is a complete waste of money on the modern turbo imprezas to buy a turbo timer on the stock turbo.

[2ltGTT]

Originally Posted by Right_LiRrr

Are you talking to me? Because I'm not offended at all that you say an STi is not that fast....as long as you're talking about a drag strip

On a track that's a completely different story.

I can see why Americans are generally disappointed with STis and Evos. That's because you hear from Japan and everywhere else that these things are hell fast. Then you guys get them and take them onto an American highway with a z28 or SRT-10 Viper, step on the gas and wonder where they went.

In a lot of ways, I'm glad America never got the Skyline GTR (another car with a great reputation). I think a large proportion of you all would be highly disappointed with it too. Because it is also just another mid 13s car. Evos and STis are very good competition for GTRs and run very similar track times - especially the Evos (all being stock of course - dollar for dollar in mods a GTR would kill any car).

some people out there cant belive a factory Caldina GTT wagon can do high 13's.

oh and what year was that M3? cause my mate in in his skyline got burnt off by one of those....

[Mr. Luos]

LS1 car stock here = 14.4
STi stock here = 13.5

Both are with good drivers.

[RJG]

Turbo timers are a waste on Subarus.

Launching an STi at 1500 RPM would make it a 16 second car, a WRX would be even worse. That M3 must have been slow as shit.

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

LS1 car stock here = 14.4
STi stock here = 13.5

Both are with good drivers.

Remember the one I raced? He ran a 14.5 @ 95mph at the track to my 14.4 @ 105mph and that's with a bad clutch that didn't give me 3rd gear. And it's not like the guy didn't launch either, I think he 60'ed at around 1.9-2.0 (compared to my 2.4)... I'll dig up my slip from the track tonight when I get home and varify that.


My Z28 was a shit box... F-body's are nice cars I'm sure, but mine wasn't. Glad it's gone.

[209 SRT]

[quote=2000LS1Z28]No offense but STi's ain't anything to brag about stock. QUOTE]

well you say sti's arent anything to brag about...then what do you think about regular wrx's....

[209 SRT]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

LS1 car stock here = 14.4
STi stock here = 13.5

Both are with good drivers.

awd helps the 60 foot and thin air doesnt bother turbo cars as much as n/a cars...

[Mr. Luos]

Originally Posted by 209 SRT

awd helps the 60 foot and thin air doesnt bother turbo cars as much as n/a cars...

Oh I know.
But it isn't like they are going to get slower at a lower elevation.
13.5-13.6 here for a turbo car is a lower 13 at sea level.

Must just depend on the driver.

[209 SRT]

yup that sounds about right....but most of the sti drivers out there cant drive there car to potential or if afraid too....most of the error falls on the launch...if they could get their lauches down decent times are just a pedal away...and yes I do feel sorry for you guys that are n/a and above sea level....that thin air must kill you guys...lol

[Mr. Luos]

NHRA adjusted for just altitude and not weather...my 12.64 was a 11.7 at 124.4.

[2000LS1Z28]

Luos I don't see WRX STi's running 13.5 sec. here. Several people at Speedway had them. A few of them were stock. The one's that were stock ran anywhere from a 13.9-14.4 sec. 1/4 mile. A guy from another board I belong to cut a 1.8 sec. 60' and a 13.9 sec. 1/4 mile at 95mph. I dunno if the guys are lying to you about their mods (Most likely). Just a simple reflash of the ECU will get those cars running low 13's/ high 12's, and the mods are not noticeable.

well you say sti's arent anything to brag about...then what do you think about regular wrx's....

Please post where I stated that a regular WRX is something to brag about. IMHO the STi isn't as fast as it should be considering the premium one pays over a run of the mill WRX. The new WRX's are marginally slower. It just seems like a rip off in alot of ways. Then again maybe they have lowered the price of the new STi's, as they are not selling well around here.