Serious RS-T Question....

[SilvrEclipse]

Good luck on your project. You seem like you know a lot about what you are doing, a SAFC only fools the ECU into changing how much fuel to add/subtract. A megasquirt fuel system is a standalone fuel system that you build yourself. You can adjust your fuel, and you can adjust your ignition timing. I would highly recommend that you research your fuel system a little bit more, because if you are going to run 20+psi I dont think a SAFC is going to cut it.

[gthompson97]

I don't have AIM. I guess I could download it but everyone I know uses MSN.

[steviek]

Hey i just wanted to tack on that SBR isn't really giving you that great a deal with buying their package deal. They just sell you more stuff. I think if you look around you can find better deals. I got 550's and safc2 for 300 bucks I don't know how much they are charging but its gonna be mroe than that. So what else can I say but don't just buy stuff cause its convenient you can get those parts anywhere (especially intercoolers) so don't do anything rash.
By the way thanks ricer for safc2 and injectors

[Hpnotiq86]

Yah, I see what you guys mean about finding slightly used parts and what not, I just did a mild search around for a few parts and easily knocked at least $400-500 off. Def. glad I didn't opt for the pre-assembled kits, which are now (obviously) WAY overpriced....and now I know

As for this Megasquirt stand alone fuel managment thing, its looking good so far, and the price point isn't bad at all either. I'd say i've got another solid 2 months or so left before I can start collecting all the parts.

So substitute S-AFCII for megasquirt, right...anything else major like that I should know? Are 550cc injectors going to be adequate for this application? If 550's are ify, it couldnt hurt anything to hop to 650's right?

Thanks.

[Thor06]

Sorry bro, I dont even see how theres a question. Sell that 420a shit and buy yourself a GST/GSX. No question about it. As a matter of fact, when you could buy an already turbo'd car, turboing an NT is a waste of time and most of all money IMO. Heres my take on the whole thing.

it were me, your RS would be on autotrader.com, cars.com, dsmtuners.com/classifieds, and in the paper by tomorrow morning and I would be hunting for a 1g AWD. Depending on the shape, miles, and mods of the RS you could get what like 4-5k for it? Then you would have 11-12 THOUSAND DOLLARS to build a car with. You could have a 1g AWD for like $1000-$2000 and still have $9,000-$10,000 to put into it. Know where 10 grand will get you in a AWD DSM? Probably pretty deep into the 10's if you did it right. Or you could probably find a decent 95 GSX for like 4-5k and still have lots to build it with.

If you want to stay FWD, get a GST. I think AWD is way better than FWD, but to each his own. Who the fuck races from a roll anyway? LSD or not, the FWD will get its ass hole gapped by the AWD.

Whether you want AWD or FWD, I say go 4g63. I under no circumstances (especially a $7,000 loan) would I build a 420a. If you dumped the 7 g's into the RS you would have a much slower car than if you took that money, sold your car, bought a 4g63 DSM, and built it. 420a's can be built, I know a guy that has a 420a neon built as fuck that put like two bus lengths on a 300whp subaru from 0-120, but believe me man, he is not running 550cc injectors and a SAFC (actually he is running megasquirt, needs a tune bad but still is fast as hell).

[SilvrEclipse]

If you run megasquirt you can run any size injectors you want. You should be able to get to a good start building the motor and have most of the major components that you need. Keep us updated on how everything is going.

Dont let anyone convince you not to build your car. It your money and it your decision on what you want to do. If you want to build the 420a, then build the hell out of it and make it fast as shit.

[Thor06]

Yeah dude, by all means, if you want to build the 420a go for it. I wouldnt pick any other NT to turbo. But you could have a MUCH faster car for a lot less going to 4g63 route. If you got a 6 bolt 4g63, the bottom end could take well over 400hp, so you really wouldnt even need to build it and you could do some pretty things like rims or suspension. Plus with the 4g63 you can run DSMlink. What more persuation could you possibly need? Either way, have fun and post pics/timeslips.

[Hpnotiq86]

Lol yah, but regardless of persuasive arguments, and factual information about the AWD...i'm pretty dead set on this 420a thing. Hey, at least i'll have a pretty major weight advantage on AWD's, what like 500lbs or so, what does that translate too...roughly .5 off the E/T? Not too shabby....not to mention the gained traction from a good LSD, and i'm fairly sure i'll nearly make up for my assumingly shitty launch with my mid-top end acceleration...

Oh, and who the fuck races from a roll? Lol I do, I race on the interstate very regularly...actually let me ask this; who the fuck HASN'T/DOSEN'T race from a roll on the street?

SilvrEclipse, what is your input on the MegasquirtII system?

Thanks.


EDIT: Thor, that first post of yours pissed me off for a second or two, I don't even know why it got to me...wording maybe? Then your second post came and chilled it...atleast I got to edit this post before anyone saw it lol, it would have been a real and an assholish post...just letting you know.

[Thor06]

Sorry bro, didnt mean to come off as a jackass. It was pretty harshly worded. Looking back at it I did come off a lot meaner than I intended to, sorry for that.

I dont think NT's are really that much heavier than AWDs, I would say maybe like 300 lbs. Thats true though too, you would pull in the higher gears. Sean (the guy with the build 420a neon up here) got launched by the 300whp WRX, but passed him in 2nd gear I think, and just kept running.

I guess I have only raced from a roll once, a 25 mph roll on the main drag here in town. It was against my buddy's 05 Mazda 6. I was driving the Cavy (no talon yet) and needless to say, I got my ass owned. Our town isnt big enough for a highway so everything we do is from a light or flagger with an occasional 20-30 mph roll.

I will talk to Sean sometime about his megasquirt. From what I know, he likes it and I think it was pretty cheap to make. If I were to do a 420a build (or any engine build for that matter), I would stay away from those kits. I think with some shopping around you could save some money. I would definately not get the SBR kit, I think that turbo is pretty small to be running on a built engine, it would have to be to only require 550's, and I dont like SAFC. I can also talk to Sean about where to get parts and stuff, I think he scored some pretty sweet deals on some/all/most of his stuff.

[Hpnotiq86]

Yah, the more I know about peoples experiences with certain systems and products, the better.

Oh, and one more thing I just started considering was minor weight reduction. I just want to get my weight down a little, seeing as how I don't plan on removing my A/C or stereo system since this will be my dd as well (by the way my spare and jack are already gone).

I was thinking along the lines of just a CF hood and CF fenders, if all else fails i could go for fiberglass fenders, but I really wanted a CF to pull of the paint scheme i've been dreaming about (and it's lighter...) /rice.

I figure my stereo puts me in right around 65lb over stock, which isnt a huge deal, but since I don't want to have that dead weight back there, or take out my box/amps every time I go to the track I came up with reducing other parts to get me back around stock weight. Does that make sense?

Opinions?

Thanks.

[gthompson97]

Hypnotiq, I think you're getting on the right path to doing this thing the right way, you're doing alot of researching and asking alot of questions before just jumping right into it. Alot of people get so excited about modding they jump right in and then say "well now what the hell?" when they blow their engine after 500 miles. As for injectors, the bigger the better and the bigger you go, the more room you'll have for upgrades. Personally, I would go with 650s, but that's just my opinion. Also get the SAFC-II out of your head, if you're going to stuff that much money into the beast, just go with the megasquirt. I think that's all I wanted to say for now.

And Thor damnit, quit brainwashing people with your 1G PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!

[Hpnotiq86]

Well thanks

SAFC-II has BEEN out of my head for awile, I only got the idea of it before I started researching and I didn't know too much about megasquirt...and while im on the megasquirt subject, the more I look at the FAQ's and diagrams, and programming guides, the more I think i'm going to be in trouble. I'm not a very smart tuner (not a dumb one either..) and i'm a little worried about the initial setup and break-in of the whole thing..i'll be fine after I get it going though..

So, how hard is this thing (MegaSquirt) to totally setup/program on a 1-10 scale?

[SilvrEclipse]

I cant tell you how hard it is to install/setup. I have read some things about it but have never personally used it. I have heard that it is pretty hard to setup if you dont know what you are doing. Have you searched on 2gnt.com, a lot of people on there run this setup and you could probably find some good info. There is also a writeup on that site about how to put a neon tranny into a 2g. Its geared a little higher so that might help you catch some traction.

[Hpnotiq86]

I'll check into it, thanks.

[gthompson97]

There is a very very nice write-up on 2gnt.com about installing and tuning with the SAFC-II, check it out.