windstar-battery

[comanche64]

Coach: I believe the wire from Pos battery to pos prong on Comp clutch to be a good test.but diffuclt for me without accidently touching something else/there isn"t power to clutch.I did check that out/at 1500R.P.M/unless
a light bulb comes on;Wife will take to Bubba"s shop;and that is a real place/Although I believe He should change it to High Tech.Bubbas place in 1955 was a Elm tree with Hoist chained to a Limb.Comanche

[comanche64]

WsWind: I did go to web site ;clear picture.I changed the 4 relays in power
Box.I should have said I swapped 4 identical relays in Power Distrabution Box
Then went to the pictures you have;I now see the location;below Battery
and this is the CCRM Module/I believe the clock is running on me/Wife said
She is taking it to Bubba"s tomorrow.I think it may cost more than 75 dollars
I saved.Comanche

[comanche64]

same chorus 2nd verse.Wife said taking me too long to restore air-cond
after belt relcement;She took car to certified mechanic;now not only air-cond not working;neither is blower working and driver srs caution light on
Her latest update "mechanic doesn"t know what the 3 problems are caused from. I didn"t have power at clutch plug.This Hornets nest is epensive comanche

[CoachKarl]

Stop. Wait. This isn't so bad Commanche,

If Bubba's is "good" then Bubba's probably right.
He diagnosed a bad compressor in 1 minute with the car off.
He simply ran a wire directly from your battery to the compressor power terminal. A good compressor clutch will "SNAP!" loudly as the wire is touched to the battery and pulled away. He didn't here that snap, and properly diagnosed a bad compressor.

Now, a brand new compressor is very very expensive. This is why God gave us Junkyards. If Bubba is worth his salt he will explore there first. Especially for a rig a year newer than mine. If you still want to DIYourself, Post back, and start looking for a small 12 Volt battery you can drag to a Junkyard.

Karl.

P.S. Bubba is a perfectly respectable name in these parts. As is Moogie. (They just roll off the tongue right after the word "Yo!")

[comanche64]

Coach:There is hope;I don"t need to sign up for tech school;I was a little suspect of Bubba when wife asked if I could loan him {Chilton CD or my Tech.Manual .We had a saying in B1B;they all fly and all go home.
The Windstar will run again with Air-Cond.Thanks Comanche

[comanche64]

96 Windstar 3.8: here is the fix;3 days Bubba changed the Constant Control
Relay Module.CCRM.The Air-Cond wors great.WSwind had hit on this earlier.
The Mechanic said new one 600 dollars;He put used one in.He told Wife location was Haynes Manuel pg12-4.I guess this is behind dash.200 dollars to repair.This info for anyone who can use it/Comanche

[comanche64]

Air-Cond works great.Mechanic replace CCRM;He said new one 600 Dollars.
He put used one in 200 Dollars.This might be of help to someone.Haynes manuel pg 12-4/Comanche

[comanche64]

WSwind where is the location of the CCRM/ThanksComanche

[wiswind]

CCRM is in my pictures.....it is in FRONT of the Battery, mounted on the battery side of the plate that goes from the radiator to the fender.
You can just see if from the top. I have pictures showing it from the TOP and the BOTTOM.
If you lay under the car.....you can see a wire harness going to it......

It was easy to replace, and it was not as expensive as you say, or I would surely remember the price.

There is a TSB for an improved CCRM (I have the part number for the new one in my pictures).
The problem with the older units was that the relays in there were not sealed as well as they are in the new one.
The failure mode was....in below freezing weather, you would drive for a while and get things all warmed up, then turn off the car for say only 15 minutes or so.....then go to start the car, and it would turn over, and not start. They called it no start after "heat soak" in below freezing weather.
The problem was caused by moisture inside the relay that controls the fuel pump. So the fuel pump would not run.
The fuel flow is NOT monitored by the OBDII system on our vehicle, so there is no CEL and no code.
For those that have a fuel economy monitor, that is calculated by the airflow as sensed by the MAF, then using the air / fuel ratio that the PCM maintains, the fuel consumption is determined.

[comanche64]

wiswind: In reference to post #24:Yes you are right on target;I bought Haynes Repair Manual pg. 12-4 location is exactly where you said/This Book covers Windstars yrs 95 thru 03.
The Chilton manuel covered vans buses and trucks;not specific enough;
I appreciate the Info.The cause I can"t say for sure/The Mechanic said
I probaley shorted power? I didn"t but did take Neg and Pos cables loose.I didn"t check Air-Cond setting before I removed power.He spent 3 days on the loss of Power to Air-Cond clutch.I had spent 2 days;I can see where
someone might change Air-Comp and clutch;But the check that Coach gave;with wire from pos Battery to Cutch Pin pos without eng running would show if clutch clicks in/This C.C.R.M. will have my full attention from now on/Comanche

[comanche64]

wiswind: In reference to post #24:Yes you are right on target;I bought Haynes Repair Manual pg. 12-4 location is exactly where you said/This Book covers Windstars yrs 95 thru 03.
The Chilton manuel covered vans buses and trucks;not specific enough;
I appreciate the Info.The cause I can"t say for sure/The Mechanic said
I probaley shorted power? I didn"t but did take Neg and Pos cables loose.I didn"t check Air-Cond setting before I removed power.He spent 3 days on the loss of Power to Air-Cond clutch.I had spent 2 days;I can see where
someone might change Air-Comp and clutch;But the check that Coach gave;with wire from pos Battery to Cutch Pin pos without eng running would show if clutch clicks in/This C.C.R.M. will have my full attention from now on/Comanche