OMFG OMFG This is too much!!

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

And that crap about divorces? The women wont be able to have their divorce if the husband's a total asshole, beating her up and what else?

What are you tryin to imply here? That women in Islam aren't allowed to divorce? If thats what you're saying, then you are wrong.

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

Oh and what obstacles for building your mosques are you expecting anyway? Like building permissions? Actually owning the land you'll be using? I sure dont want to wake up having a Mosque on my backyard.

But its ok to have Church in every corner right? Its ok to have Church bells ringing early in the morning right? It seems like you have some hatred towards muslims.

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

I showed this to my friend Abdi who's a muslim, and he was like 'WTF is this shit? Im seriously ashamed for my religion sometimes.'

It seems to me that he lacks knowledge of his own religion. No one would should be ashamed of anything when they have the same belief especially. Am I ashamed because the muslim extremists are giving us a bad name? NO! I know they're wrong. IF your friend feels ashamed is because you probably make him feel that way. Its the ppl around us that tries to makes us think otherwise. The ignorant ppl always try to make us feel ashamed of what we stand for and believe.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Toksin

Umm

Halal butchers should be allowed?

Are halal butchers illegal or something? Fucks sake, just start a butcher shop specialising in Halal meats, there shouldn't be any obstacles to doing that.

You know, you're actually right. WE have lots of Halal/Kosher Butchers here. Unless if i'm mistakin, they probably want fast foods to be halal/kosher meat?? Some KFC have Halal meat but not all of them.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

lol i know, i live in Dearborn Michiganm the largest settlement of arabics outside there own country.

The correct term is arabs. Not all muslims in Dearborn are arabs. My Chaldean side of the family that live in Michigan are still Catholics also. Yes Michigan is the largest ARAB community but that doesn't mean all are muslims.

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

to bad in America they cant do shit because no one here likes them.

Speak for yourself.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

I showed this to my friend Abdi who's a muslim, and he was like 'WTF is this shit? Im seriously ashamed for my religion sometimes.'

Religion is a tool. You can use it the way you want to. A knife can be used to cut steak, or slit your throat...perhaps what your friend really meant was, "Im seriously ashamed of Muslims sometimes.' Because that would make two of us...Islam has been defiled to new lows by the stupidity and self-righteous greed of Man. If you were ever to read their holy text, the Koran (Quran), you would realize that nothing in the Muslim world today even remotely adheres to the teachings of the ancient text.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Shpyder

you would realize that nothing in the Muslim world today even remotely adheres to the teachings of the ancient text.

No you are wrong. Theres alot of them out there that dedicate there whole lives to Islam.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

No you are wrong. Theres alot of them out there that dedicate there whole lives to Islam.

Sigh. Of course, must you nitpick at generalizations that are meant to be all-encompassing save not serving justice to a precious few?

If your idea of Islam is limited to praying 5 times a day and fasting, then perhaps you need to go over the core fundamentals of this religion, which revolve around "haquq-ul-ebad", or the "rights of Man", where strict emphasis is placed on how people must be good to fellow man. Islam also says the there is no compulsion in religion... just a few bits here and there that no one seems to remember, most unfortunately.

Let me rephrase then, for your sake. A great majority of the followers of Islam thrust in the limelight today have twisted their religion to oblivion. That includes the Royal Saudi family who have bastardized the name of religion through hypocrisy and plunder of their country in Isams holiest cities, and Al-Qaeda, who murder under the shade of Islam. These are the top two, followed by the Taliban, the Asshollas, the Janjaweed militas of Sudan (though their campaign revolves around ethnic cleansing not exactly under the banner of religion), and others. I am not proud of what I see of Muslims today at all. As the crusades soiled the sanctity of the teachings of Jesus hundreds of years ago, so does Islam fall victim to the greed of Man in the second millenium...disgusting. It is to the point of saturation where people associate beards, turbans, and arabic/farsi calligraphy to suicide bombers, oppressed women and evil.

Let's face it buddy. The Saudi royals are the richest people in the world. And yet, all this talk on "helping our Palestinian brothers" is pure crud. Money talks, and if they really wanted to "help their brothers", they'd be sending copious amounts of aid to Africa and Asia. But they'd rather order a custom gold plated Mercedes-Benz S600, and have the bathroom taps lined with platinum; a better cause than helping their own get back on their feet? I am sure...

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Shpyder

That includes the Royal Saudi family who have bastardized the name of religion through hypocrisy and plunder of their country in Isams holiest cities, and Al-Qaeda, who murder under the shade of Islam. These are the top two, followed by the Taliban, the Asshollas, the Janjaweed militas of Sudan (though their campaign revolves around ethnic cleansing not exactly under the banner of religion), and others. I am not proud of what I see of Muslims today at all. As the crusades soiled the sanctity of the teachings of Jesus hundreds of years ago, so does Islam fall victim to the greed of Man in the second millenium...disgusting.

Let's face it buddy. The Saudi royals are the richest people in the world. And yet, all this talk on "helping our Palestinian brothers" is pure crud. Money talks, and if they really wanted to "help their brothers", they'd be sending copious amounts of aid to Africa and Asia. But they'd rather order a custom gold plated Mercedes-Benz S600, and have the bathroom taps lined with platinum; a better cause than helping their own get back on their feet? I am sure...

Ok I agree with you to certain extent.Thats what we call hypocrites. I've made a couple of statements against the Islamic govt's before and if you read then Im sure you'd agree with me also. Correct me if i'm wrong for "my sake" but you're making it seem like the majority of the muslims are hypocrites. Thats why I didn't agree with you.

[1986Z28]

WOW... Just WOW

[MonsterBengt]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

What are you tryin to imply here? That women in Islam aren't allowed to divorce? If thats what you're saying, then you are wrong.




But its ok to have Church in every corner right? Its ok to have Church bells ringing early in the morning right? It seems like you have some hatred towards muslims.




It seems to me that he lacks knowledge of his own religion. No one would should be ashamed of anything when they have the same belief especially. Am I ashamed because the muslim extremists are giving us a bad name? NO! I know they're wrong. IF your friend feels ashamed is because you probably make him feel that way. Its the ppl around us that tries to makes us think otherwise. The ignorant ppl always try to make us feel ashamed of what we stand for and believe.

Omg you managed to twist and turn every sentence I wrote to some racist thought that came up in my mind in 5seconds.

1. I live among muslims, they aren't allways allowed having divorce no. If you're a muslim, then you probably know that muslims differs alot.

2. When and where did I write anything about i dont want a Mosque around? I said, i dont want it on my back yard. You honeslty think they arren't allowed building it because of muslim reasons? They want to build them without building permissions and actually owning the land, or something like that.

Oh and where the fuck did I ever write anything representing christianity you ignorant bastard? I dont like bells in the morning either.

3. He lackes knowledge of his own religion? ok. Have you read the Koran? Do yo visit Mosques and/or pray? Have you ever lived in a musilm country? How many arabic languages do you speak?.

He's gone to a Koran school since he was 5 years old. Have you?

I have probably read more of the Koran then you too.

Dont call people ignorant when you reply to

my friend Abdi who's a muslim

with

It seems like you have some hatred towards muslims.

[MonsterBengt]

Originally Posted by Toksin

Umm

Halal butchers should be allowed?

Are halal butchers illegal or something? Fucks sake, just start a butcher shop specialising in Halal meats, there shouldn't be any obstacles to doing that.

Halal butchering is considered animal torturing by the EU and is illegal by EU laws.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

1. I live among muslims, they aren't allways allowed having divorce no. If you're a muslim, then you probably know that muslims differs alot.

Who told you that? They're allowed to divorce by saying it with there mouths. It depends on there situation. You said they're not allowed to divorce even if the husband beats there wives or they're total assholes. Did I assumed wrong here?

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

3. He lackes knowledge of his own religion? ok. Have you read the Koran? Do yo visit Mosques and/or pray? Have you ever lived in a musilm country? How many arabic languages do you speak?.

Yes. How many arabic languages do I speak? Sure theres lots of dialects but I understand most of it. All Iraqis understand all different dialects. To be more specific I speak fuh-sa arabic.

Theres quite a few muslims that lack knowledge of there own religion. Just yesterday I traveled with my brothers teacher to go teach some teenagers/young adults about Islam. They're born muslims by name but they dont practice. So I dont know what you're tryin to prove here?

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

He's gone to a Koran school since he was 5 years old. Have you?

I have probably read more of the Koran then you too.

Ok grow up. Dont have an alcer. I didn't call you ignorant directly.I was speaking in general.

You're freaking out because they want laws that benefits them. I dont always agree with that. If they live in a non muslim country,we have to respect there laws as long as we're not being oppressed because of our beliefs.

If I said anything offensive, then I apologize.

[2.2 Straight six]

i agree, i don't think the laws should be imposed on everyone, especially not in a non-muslim country. if the muslims want to live under those laws then by all means do so, but there's no reason the non-muslin community shoudl have to abide by those rules.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

Halal butchering is considered animal torturing by the EU and is illegal by EU laws.

Im just curious. How do they see that its "torturing?" You got any information on that. I find this very odd.

[MonsterBengt]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

Im just curious. How do they see that its "torturing?" You got any information on that. I find this very odd.

Why would it be illegall if not considered torturing?
Why would they demand halal buthering to be allowed if it wasn't illegal?

I guess hanging the cows upside down in their feet, slitting their throats might be considered torturing by many people.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

Why would it be illegall if not considered torturing?
Why would they demand halal buthering to be allowed if it wasn't illegal?

I dont know. You tell me. Thats why I asked you. Torturing animals are forbidden in Islam. You look at fast food restuarants and see how they slaughter the animals.


2. The animal should be properly slaughtered and should not be dipped in boiling water or killed by electric shocks. Any method other than slaughter adopted to kill the animal will not be lawful. Stunning by bolt shot or electric shock before slaughter is not valid and should be avoided, as it is tantamount to torturing an animal, which is inhumane and unlawful in Islam. The tendency of the Shari’ah is to make the slaughter more humane by reducing the suffering of the animal. The Holy Prophet (SAW) is reported to have said that if you must slaughter, slaughter in the best possible manner. Sharpen your knife every time before you slaughter, but not in front of the animal to be slaughtered. Do not slaughter an animal in the presence of other animals, and feed and rest the animal before slaughter. The idea is to stop cruelty to animals – a practice still prevalent in the West in various forms and guises despite claims to the contrary, as we shall see later.

http://www.eat-halal.com/articles/0100.shtml