What does a boosted LeBaron look like ?

[DragonKnight]

Can someone explain this?

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/22t.html

Turbo I
The most common, and generated a respectable 142 hp (better than the 3.0 V6, or, for that matter, the late-80s 318). It was relatively reliable and had good fuel economy. The turbo was quite well suited for the 2.2, which had good low end torque but did not breathe well at higher rpms; the turbo evened it out nicely. (142-150 hp depending on application)

Turbo II
The next most common; it was similar but had an intercooler, forged crank, and other performance touches, including a heavy duty transmission. An astounding 174 hp came from this reliable engine - not bad considering the original was only 93 hp. This wasn't a Honda 174 hp, either - it came with 200 lb-ft of torque! (Whereas the current top Civic engine is 160 hp and only 100 lb-ft). You can approximate a Turbo II by adding an intercooler to a Turbo I.

Turbo III
Quite rare, and was used only on the Spirit R/T and Daytona R/T (except in Mexico) from 1991 to 1992 (again, except in Mexico). Generating 224 hp from 2.2 liters, this engine was quite a trip to drive, but finding parts is difficult. The heads were designed by Lotus, and use far-too-strong valve springs, making timing belt replacement a frequent necessity unless you do a very good job of fitting it. The Turbo III was a DOHC engine with distributorless ignition and four valves per cylinder. If you buy one of these, try to have another car to drive in case of emergencies.

One Chrysler engineer wrote: "Incredible engine, not many left around here, but lots still in Mexico. Heads cracked in the '91 version because some dummy decided to use cast iron plugs in the water jacket holes instead of aluminum. Ya send these kids to college, and they still don't know that metals don't all expand at the same rate and something's gotta give.....but then again, Lotus designed the head, and my favorite oxymoron is "British Engineering" (you ever worked on a British Leyland product?)."

Click here for directions on centerlining the Turbo III cam (you'll need them!).

Turbo IV
Even more rare; this engine used variable-nozzle technology (VNT) to increase boost at lower rpms, and made 174 useful horsepower. Torque was relatively high (225 lb-ft rather than 200 in the Turbo II). This may not have been an especially reliable engine. It was used in the CSX.

C'mon Polywhateverthefuckyoucallyerself. Post some links so we peeps who are ignorant of the ever so magnificent *cough* *bullshit* LeBaron can learn. :flash:

-Rich

[Celica Alltrac]

lower compression is better on a turbo engine anyways. if i had an option i would want it at 8.5:1 or 8.2:1 instead of it being so high.

but as you can clearly see an engine running 1/2 the boost as yours is putting out nearly the same specs. and if we had the exhaust, intake and boost levels exactly the same i will put down money the toyota would win. maybe its b/c of the dohc, but the money you spend to modify your head to get 4 valves wouldn't need to be done on the toyota engine. trust me toyota has some very potenet motors and they aren't a dime a dozen like most honda motors that float around for sale. but then every car manufacturer makes different motors for different applications. such as economy motors such as the corolla, accord, echo, civic and many more. so just b/c a company makes econo motors doesn't tarnish the company name. it has to make sales and to do that they reach a wide market and to do that they have to make performance and econo motors as well.

[Polygon]

Originally posted by Celica Alltrac
lower compression is better on a turbo engine anyways. if i had an option i would want it at 8.5:1 or 8.2:1 instead of it being so high.

but as you can clearly see an engine running 1/2 the boost as yours is putting out nearly the same specs. and if we had the exhaust, intake and boost levels exactly the same i will put down money the toyota would win. maybe its b/c of the dohc, but the money you spend to modify your head to get 4 valves wouldn't need to be done on the toyota engine. trust me toyota has some very potenet motors and they aren't a dime a dozen like most honda motors that float around for sale. but then every car manufacturer makes different motors for different applications. such as economy motors such as the corolla, accord, echo, civic and many more. so just b/c a company makes econo motors doesn't tarnish the company name. it has to make sales and to do that they reach a wide market and to do that they have to make performance and econo motors as well.

Yes, I never disputed these things. Toyota is a great car company with some awesome engines, I never said they weren't. I hope we can find a common ground. I just made one damn comment about the looks of the new Celica and this shit happens, I'm just not going to post my thoughts about Toyota anymore, it seems you call a few of their cars ugly and suddenly you have said that the entire company and line of cars are shit.

DragonKnight, do your own damn research, I'm plain sick and tired of this debate, it has gotten out of hand and is becoming plain childish. I am done with it, I don't need to prove myself to anyone here, I know what my car can do, I know what it is capable of, and I know I like it. Is it my dream car, HELL NO, there are about 50 cars that have that title too bad I can't afford any of them right now. Get off my damn case.

Also, I wouldn't trust that source either, the Turbo I was a Mitsubishi turbo on a 2.5L I4. The turbo II was a Garrett turbo on a 2.2L I4. Just adding the intercooler doesn't make it even close to the turbo II, and Turbo II common, just try and find my car on the street or for sale. in 1989 I beleive that less than 200 of the GTC Turbo II were made.

[93speed]

Do you people not have lives? What do you do all day besides bashing other people's cars and spending all this time to research this shit just to prove eachother wrong... And why the fuck is this in the Honda section? Too scared of the regular racing forum? Is this gang up on a chrystler in a HONDA forum day?

I am not sticking up for either the Celica newbies nor Polygon I am just sick and tired of assholes who don't respect other peoples rides. Thats what makes society look down on people with fast cars - most are stuck-up whiny ass bitches who always have to prove their maturity level by going and making fun of someone else's car. You all are just like 5th grade bullies....always making fun of someone else just to make yourself feel better. Grow the fuck up.

[HyOctane]

Polygon, you make me laugh.. and not just me.. others too ! Keep up these BS numbers and you'll have to put us in the hospital for laughing so hard. BTW, you don't think your actually running 205 HP to the ground, do you ? I dont.. I give a 15% HP loss due to the old tranny.. and wait, what happens to an engine as it gets more miles and the cylinder walls get scortched ? What about the piston rings wearing out ? Hmm I think that you lose compression.. and what ? That is equal to power loss also.. I give you maybe 175 to the tires.. and NO you WILL not chirp 3rd or 4th gears as you stated in a prior post (that gave us a laugh !) But I will give you the benifit of the doubt so, maybe when it's raining !! lol.. go figure. Hey man, do us a favor and scrap that thing to keep it out of its misery ? But hold on.. Maybe it's a SERIOUS chick magnet ? Daym.. where can I buy a car that can run 30 PSI stock ? Geez.. you know, my car's spedometer says 170 MPH and the tach says 9,000 RPM, does that mean I can do it ? I don't think so.. there is a law of physics here, so just because your boost gauge says 30 PSI (which I doubt) It dosen't mean it will do it. And if it can.. lets see you do it man ! I wanna see a 150,000 mile car boost it like that without some internal revampment... I really do ! I wanna see what a blow head looks like on a '89 LeBaron. Go ahead.. bash on my car - but atleast it looks good while its running 14.9's with just a cat-back exhaust gettin groceries.

If you are ever in the Tampa bay area, I would love to see your car at the local strip tearing down the track at 14's stock.. lol, and what's this I hear about the block being able to handle 500 HP ? ROFL ! Thats great man ! And definatly do I wanna see this 9 second LeBaron, I wanna race him.. wait, I need to buy new running shoes first..

You are beating a dead horse here man.. get over it. Your oversized and overweighted shopping cart I guarentee will run MAYBE a 16.5 on a good day.. granted this will beat most hondas on the road, but your picking in the wrong crowd here man.. the '00+Celica 5 spd. GT's are beating your a*s then.. and thats just with about 140 HP ! Hmm.. maybe it's just the 5 spd tranny.. ugh, give me a break there. Is that why the GT-S is quick also ? Because of its close-ratio w/ a open 6th gear for crusing ? No.. its a combination of engineering for the 2ZZ-GE, the 6-Spd., and the significant light weight of the car.. heck, it weighs 60 Lbs lighter than a Type R Integra ! And lets see you take your turboed rust bucket out on a track like Seabring and turn out some good times.. I think you will have trouble even staying in the apexes.. loser. BTW, what is the 200 ft. skidpad on your car ? I doubt it is over .72 Lat. G's.. the stock GT-S wil pull .89's.. Look at the Hotchkis Celica in the current sport compact car.. wait, is that about a 1.03 Lat. G ? Hmm.. Last time I checkd, that is in Porsche territory.. for about a quarter of the money. Now braking is another thing.. how do you slow that hunk of junk down ? i bet 60 - 0 is about 145+ Ft. Celica stock is about 107 Ft. Please, Don't bash unless you can back it up.. and BTW, I am bashing on your "chick magnet" LeBaron.. I am jelous man, how do you do it.. ?

[Polygon]

Look, I SAID THAT I AM DONE WITH THIS ARGUMENT. It is over, you have driven the fact that you have the mentality of a two year old and have flamed me to hell and back. This thread had no purpose besides flaming me from the start.

I wish a mod would close this and the other thread as that is all they are.

[JasonAccord98LX]

Maybe you Toyota people who are bashing polygon for no reason forgot (ignored) inferno's post about not flaming people. Here it is again so you can read it and maybe realize that continuing to flame polygon when he isnt even saying anything back is just plain ignorant and a waste of time.


"I hate having to worry about "editing" content in this forum. It seems that I have been getting a lot of reports from this forum about the content of certain posts. I have been working a lot more and been busy in general, so I would like the little bit of time that I do spend on this board to be good, not worrying about having to go through posts and editing or closing threads. There is no need to start needless flame wars or brand bashing. Automotive Forums has message boards for everymake, so if you feel the need to claim the superiority of your make and bash other cars, do it in your manufacturers message board. I would really appreciate it as well if people from this board wouldn't go to other boards purposely to instigate arguements....that only brings the same thing back here. It isn't no where near as big a problem as it was before, but I just want to talk about it now before it gets back out of hand. Hopefully you all can enjoy your experiences on this board without worrying about hoards of flamers descending on this forum and causing problems. Have a nice day."

Also, props to polygon for letting the arguement go, even though he was the one being flamed.

[HyOctane]

Oh no guys.. looks like we cant say another word on this thread.. or, yipes, they might delete it ! OH NO !! ugh.. give me a break. You guys are just looking for trouble when people brag about stuff that real enthusiasts know isn't true, and the daily ricer dosen't. So wow.. lock this thread.. its not like we post here often.. wow, we all have like 5 posts.. BIG DEAL.. I'll go back to where I came from, just keep the ignorance down here.. and you know, If ignorant a*sholes could fly.. this board would be an airport.. geez, lighten up people (BTW, this dosen't apply to everyone.. there are some great knowledgable people here, so don't get your pantys in a wad.)

[speediva]

I think we've had our fun in here.

Let's simmer down a bit and hold some civil conversations about what we love: CARS.