A new twist to the 'Muslim outrage' over those cartoons

[TerminalVelocity]

not to all

How many religions are there?
How many here?

I may not shoot you for insulting my religion..but I go by my own beliefs that are closest to Christianity. Much harder to insult than a mainstream relegion.

I knew a Jew that would throw down if you made a Jew joke. I know a Buddist that will brawl if you dissagree with his religion. I think they take it too far...but still they take it so serously they are willing to let anger overshadow their religious beliefs in the name of that same religion.

[Raz_Kaz]

Well, they are called extremists for a reason.

There are 2 religions in Iraq, Christianity and Islam...guess which one wins majority. Anyways the difference there is that everything is religiously oriented, their politics and religion are not seperated as such in North America. Look at Christmas and what's happened to that in the past couple of years, it's gone from Merry Christmas to Happy Holiday's because people stopped caring and stopped fighting for their religion.
Now you have poor, uneducated people defending the name of their God because they feel it's threatened. You have the same thing happening in America, they feel as though their "freedom" and "democracy" is being threatened so they go to war. Now tell me the difference between the two. Both parties are fighting and dying for what they hold dear to them...so who's wrong?


Now before this turns into something else, all you have to do is put yourself in their shoes for 2 minutes, maybe once think about the other side. We're told every action has an equal and opposite reaction....and maybe that's why we think war=peace

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by Terminal Velocity

Silence allows evil to spread.

Publishing the cartoons in some way halted the spread of evil then, I guess . The above applies to the aftermath, however.

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

How can you condone what the protestors are doing and condem out political cartoons?

Though I emphasized this quote by providing a fresh paragraph for it, I feel the need to repeat myself “For people who confuse my post as a supporting voice for the buffoons torching buildings and hurting people, I don't have a whole lot to say to them, because it is rather obvious an incomplete hasty glance has set such a misguiding tone in your heads.”

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

It is not "the Man" deciding it as you seem to love to put.

What man? By publisher, I assumed a governing or regulating authority, and I though that would be understood, versus my specifically pointing it out.

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

Hate to tell you but the Religion does not say to burn everyone with different views

Really? I didn’t know that. Though I don’t know where I endorsed that view in my post.

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

First, do you personally know them, and know that the charges were bs? And do you know that the government chose them personally to be arrested and silenced because they had t-shirts with a symbol? Or did you hear this from a friend, or read it somewhere obsecure?

No, I do not personally know them. In addition to that, I did not have the pleasure of meeting Plato, Einstein, Pauling, or Ghandi, but I hope that doesn’t stop me from being an avid student of their work. By the way, I didn’t actually see the planes crash into the buildings myself either, it was just on the news. I hope, in parallel, that doesn’t mean that 9/11 never happened because I didn’t witness it. How much of the information you assimilate during your lifetime is first hand experience?

The above incident was on FOX news with a special section in the O’Rielly factor that I watched.

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

That peace symbol could be taken as "fuck your loved ones, we shouldnt hurt those that TORE LOVED ONES AWAY FROM YOU"

Please tell me you didn’t just say that. Extrapolated, heavily circumstantial, and degenerative . And thank you for finally establishing the link between the Iraq war and 9/11 & Al-Qaeda. We were all confused on that one.

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

I know of another time where religion was used for war. The crusades....how much of a black mark for Christanity is that? Is it because the nations of Islam were able to repel the Christian crusades several times? That because they were the victors they wrote history? I doubt it, at the time the nations of Islam were into creating, life, poetry, knowlage, peace, law. How long has those ideals fallen from those desert hells?

A person is a person...I have been friends with believers of Islam, Jewdism, Paganism, Satanism, Buddism, and many others. A person can be good or bad, it is their choice. But people....also known as sheep, can be shortsighted, closed minded, angry, vengefull, and simply follow whatever is said by one that seemed to find himself infront of the crowd.

Total agreement, well stated.

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Lemme make this simple.

People there hold religion to a higher standard than people here.

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

the difference there is that everything is religiously oriented, their politics and religion are not seperated as such in North America....
Now you have poor, uneducated people defending the name of their God because they feel it's threatened. You have the same thing happening in America, they feel as though their "freedom" and "democracy" is being threatened so they go to war. Now tell me the difference between the two. Both parties are fighting and dying for what they hold dear to them...so who's wrong?


Now before this turns into something else, all you have to do is put yourself in their shoes for 2 minutes, maybe once think about the other side. We're told every action has an equal and opposite reaction....and maybe that's why we think war=peace

100% right on.

[2strokebloke]

Oh, religion and stupid people ~ two things that shouldn't be, but invariably always are grouped togther.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Apperently it all depends on 'who' publishes those cartoons......


http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.c...ott-egypt.html

Are you seriously using that site as a reliable source? I highly doubt anyone in that blog can read/understand arabic. Its funny how other News go on taking this sandmonkey blog as a source.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Well, they are called extremists for a reason.

There are 2 religions in Iraq, Christianity and Islam...

Yeh 2 major religions , Christianity over Jews and Yazettes. Of course Islam is the majority.

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Well, they are called extremists for a reason.

Anyways the difference there is that everything is religiously oriented, their politics and religion are not seperated as such in North America. ?

In a way you're right but I still see no Islamic countries using the Shar'ia law 100%, especially the Kingdom of Hypocrites (Saudi "Kings").

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

Are you seriously using that site as a reliable source? I highly doubt anyone in that blog can read/understand arabic. Its funny how other News go on taking this sandmonkey blog as a source.

Perhaps the blog didn't interpret it properly. However, you can see the cartoons published in that paper. Perhaps its a well orchestrated hoax. However, http://elfagr.org/ is the paper in question. And I don't see any obvious photoshopping going on.

I would agree with anyone who says a source should be questioned. I don't agree that a source should be dismissed offhand until its shown that they have a track record of misinformation.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Now you have poor, uneducated people defending the name of their God because they feel it's threatened. You have the same thing happening in America, they feel as though their "freedom" and "democracy" is being threatened so they go to war. Now tell me the difference between the two. Both parties are fighting and dying for what they hold dear to them...so who's wrong?

You have got to be kidding. Thousands die in a terrorist attack (as the height of a long history of Islamic terrorism in the world) and some cartoons (with some valid points) are printed. If you're even trying to equate those two things, you have the most skewed perspective I've ever seen.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

You have got to be kidding. Thousands die in a terrorist attack (as the height of a long history of Islamic terrorism in the world) and some cartoons (with some valid points) are printed. If you're even trying to equate those two things, you have the most skewed perspective I've ever seen.

I'm not going to bother going into detail here.

What was the point of the war in Iraq, give me one justification that doesn't go against international laws.




Thank you and have a good day.

[TerminalVelocity]

Silence allows evil to spread- Anotherwards if noone says whats wrong, or points out wrongdoing then it is allowed to continue freely. Can you argue that the religion is not being used as a weapon?

To make a basic point.

The world would be better if EVERYONE were to place themselves into other peoples shoes and think for a second before they did something. Things prohibit this like dogma.

Now, these cartoons could have been better thought out, and say a message without saying it in such an offensive manner. Of course if we have to regulate all those it does make it the same as "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" by forcing everyone to keep their oppinions to theirselves. With that said there is an old saying, "oppinions are like assholes, everyone has 'em and they all stink". 9/'11 was done in the name of a religion. If the attackers had studied their religion and the true reasons they were sent on those attacks, would it have happened?

People over there probally didnt take the meaning that the cartoon had a very strong message about their religion being RAPED for use as a weapon. Many people over here undoubtly didnt think of how the Islamic populations most sacred possesion, their religion, was mared.

And that is a point, freedom of religion here has turned into freedom in your own home, nowhere else. That is something I have a MAJOR beef with. But that is another topic (anyone feel like starting a thread on that one?)

Originally Posted by Shpyder

Though I emphasized this quote by providing a fresh paragraph for it, I feel the need to repeat myself “For people who confuse my post as a supporting voice for the buffoons torching buildings and hurting people, I don't have a whole lot to say to them, because it is rather obvious an incomplete hasty glance has set such a misguiding tone in your heads.”

Sorry, your right. Here at work..sometimes I miss some or forget as I am writing.

I think the focous of the war out there is outa hand and we need out. I think they need major change with their leaders. There is a major need for religious leaders who condone peace and condem war. I think we could use the same myself.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

... the war in Iraq, give me one justification that doesn't go against international laws.


Thank you and have a good day.

Iraq was in violation of the cease fire agreement that was negotiated at the end of the first Gulf War. That's reason enough.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Iraq was in violation of the cease fire agreement that was negotiated at the end of the first Gulf War. That's reason enough.

I find the oil excuse more plausible. One thing I do know for a fact is we pay a lot less for gas in the US than Canada. And the prices are still dropping.

[fredjacksonsan]

IMO the US should take oil from Iraq until the war is entirely paid for.

[TerminalVelocity]

One thing that I recently found is the Islamic population in Denmark actually tried having a diplomatic meeting with the Prime Minister Rasumssen. They were turned down completly, when they were trying to have their voice heard, and try for peace as well as obtaining valadiaion of the wrong that the felt was against them.

Originally Posted by Bashy Quraishy, president of the European Network Against Racism

This was a major mistake. I have never in my long political career heard of a group of diplomats asking for a meeting on such an important subject and being refused

So much could have been advoided. At the very least an effort could have been made. Free speech aside, this is not the issue. Simply put, this is a lack of empathy, understanding, and turning aside from his political duties as Prime Minister.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

What was the point of the war in Iraq, give me one justification that doesn't go against international laws.

Where to begin...

As stated he was in violation of the cease fire agreement drawn up at the end of the first gulf war.

He continuely intrupted UN aid shipments.

He conducted illegal arms deals with various countries.

He continued his tyrannical reign over his country resulting in the unlawful imprisonment and murder of his subjects.

And let me get this straight. You know that the leader of a country is killing his people by the thousands every year and you would not do anything about it because he hasn't invaded anyone lately?