this may be it for my dime :( (for a while anywayse)

[dmbrisket 51]

Originally Posted by aperry62

Guys they give you tickets for a reason...because you were being stupid and dangerous behind the wheel. Now take the tickets like a man and stop crying because you don't have the money to pay for them. And just to make things clear I was in your situation once. I got busted for an 87 in a 55, but I didn't take the panzy way out I paid the ticket and the increase in insurance and learned my lesson. Maybe the reason the cops are in a bad mood is because they are tired of picking up stupid kids all day who will fight them in court. Take responsibility for your actions and quit whinning!

So he pulled me over, an older cop pulls a kid over, if it was an older adault, it may have just been a warning, so i don't think 'taking it like a man' invalves being a typical lazy idiotic american and sitting back and paying the ticket, use your brain, and see how well the people protecting you do their job... i may be one of a dozen court dates he has that day, but it is HIS JOB as PROSICUTER to PROVE ME guilty, not me to prove my innocenc... 'inocent untill guilty' in this country, if he doesnt want to do his job and show the tape that clearly shows me in the wrong, then im smarter because i just saved my hard earned money, money that would of payed atleast half his weeks check if he would go to court and fufill his dutie as an officer of the law... The vasolien isn't free with this one so i will not take it laying down, specally when its the holidays and i have a mother, brother, grandparents, and a girl friend to consider..... and wags, Im not sure on how other states do it, but in Michigan there is a 'points' system, you start with 0, and each offence is worth a certen number of points, i know 0-9 mph is 0 points, 10 to 14 is 1, 15-19 is 2, so on and so forth, and points doubble in work and construction zones (very good thing) and after x number of points they look at your driving reccord and decide on your privlage to drive, after so long points dissapear, speeding is 2 years, a DUI is 7...

[aperry62]

I'm not saying that what the cop did was right and yes they should deal with everyone without any prior judgement. The point I'm trying to make is that if you know that you were in the wrong then step up and take responsibility. Now you said you had the cruise on 75 but that doesn't tell us what the speedzone was. If it was a 75 zone then it's understandable to get a little torqued about a ticket. But the law says that anyone can be arrested for a violation of the law...so technically he could have arrested you, which really wouldn't have held up. I have to say that without the total facts it's hard to say one way or the other but with the information provided it really just sounds like you're trying to play the system.

[dmbrisket 51]

michigan they cant arrest you for a civil infraction which is what all 3 amount to... however a misdimenor they can... and the speed limit was 70, but wheather it was a 70 or a 45, he said he clocked me at 90, which is 15mph faster then i was going no matter what the speed zone was

[RahX]

gotta work the system before the system works you. with the way things are in this day and age you gotta take what you can get and work hard to get what you can and not let anybod tell you that you cant do something.

[OverBoardProject]

Originally Posted by dmbrisket 51

michigan they cant arrest you for a civil infraction which is what all 3 amount to... however a misdimenor they can... and the speed limit was 70, but wheather it was a 70 or a 45, he said he clocked me at 90, which is 15mph faster then i was going no matter what the speed zone was

So his radar isn't calabrated properly.
If he wrote your speed on the ticket you should have that ticket wiped as long as your smart about it.

If you can somehow get a list of everyone else that he gave a speeding ticket to that day they'd have to throw them all out. You'll all have to stick together.

[balls_to_the_wall]

Another thing you might look into is when the last time his radar was tested/calibrated. I know the radar has to go through "certification", I just don't know how often though, it could be worth a try if it is out of date, you should get off on that part of it no problem...

FWIW

[dmbrisket 51]

thanks, step ahead of ya, ball starts rollen tuesday, when my mom goes to work, it just so happens to be to my advantage on the 5th floor of the court house with the county prosicutors

[clariveros]

Originally Posted by dmbrisket 51

michigan they cant arrest you for a civil infraction which is what all 3 amount to... however a misdimenor they can... and the speed limit was 70, but wheather it was a 70 or a 45, he said he clocked me at 90, which is 15mph faster then i was going no matter what the speed zone was

I got caugh by the same thing, suposedly i was goin 85 in a seventy, which i know i was goin closer to 75. Cops, and i am not saying that all of them do but there is a huge number of them that have really bad attitude problems, or think they are cowboys and try to get everyone no matter what, so best of luck to you and be careful winter sucks and it is better to be a little late and not have to deal with those a$$h0l3s.

[litlred]

Found this website when I was angered by a speed trap ticket in a nearby town...found some pretty good tips and information regarding how the radar works, calibration, etc: interesting reading. Hope it helps somebody!
http://www.speedtrap.org/

[blazee]

The local cops here are usually pretty laid back. I've been pulled over 27 times, and only had 7 tickets. 4 of those were out of state. Anytime that I get pulled over I don't try to lie about it or weasel my way out. I admit to what I did, and usually just get a warning.

Some people haven't been so lucky here's a story from the local paper about an asshole cop:

A lawsuit has been filed against the City of Mount Dora and a police officer after a Tangerine man said the officer dumped his baby’s ashes onto the street almost a year ago.

Attorneys filed the lawsuit Monday in Lake County Circuit Court on behalf of Jason Burnham, 34, who said Mount Dora Police Officer Brad Cline stopped him around 2:30 a.m. Aug. 14, 2004. Burnham had been walking along Highland Street and was returning to his Tangerine home from his mother’s house on East Liberty Street in Mount Dora, where he had been riding out Hurricane Charley.

The lawsuit states Burnham was illegally stopped, and during the stop, Cline dumped the infant’s ashes out of a crucifix pendant Burnham was wearing on a necklace. In January, Mount Dora Police Chief T. Randall Scoggins said Cline had recognized the crucifix as a pendant that drug users often hide cocaine in, and therefore was suspicious about its contents.

The lawsuit states that many of Cline’s actions during the stop were unconstitutional. It alleges false arrest, false imprisonment and detention, violation of Burnham’s right to privacy under the Florida Constitution, violation of Burnham’s commonlaw right to privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

The lawsuit seeks damages in excess of $15,000 from the city and the officer for reasons including physical suffering, physical inconvenience, physical discomfort, loss of time, mental suffering, embarrassment, humiliation, disgrace and injury to his feelings and reputation, as well as legal fees.

Cline pulled his patrol vehicle alongside Burnham as he was walking home and began to question him about “illegal drug use,” the lawsuit states. Burnham told Cline he did not use illegal drugs, but did have a bottle of prescription Xanax on him.

He was also wearing a crucifix charm that contained the ashes of his 9-month-old daughter.

Carli M. Burnham died Jan. 20, 2002, when Jason Burnham, who was sleeping on the same bed as the infant, rolled on top of her. A medical examiner ruled the infant’s death as accidental. Burnham had six children, four of whom, including Carli, were born to his 23-year-old girlfriend, Leah Imhoff.

Burnham lodged a complaint with the police department the same day, accusing Cline of destroying his prescription pills by exposing them to the rain as well as dumping his baby’s remains on the street.

The lawsuit states, “Without probable cause and reasonable suspicion to believe any type of crime happened, he (Cline) put Burnham’s hands on the patrol car, illegally patted him down and illegally searched by going into Burnham’s pockets.” Cline also continued to detain Burnham against his will, the lawsuit states.

“Officer Cline confirmed there were no drugs in the area but kept questioning Burnham,” Burnham’s attorneys wrote. “Burnham always wore this cross pendant with his daughter Carli’s ashes in it so that she could always be close to his heart,” the lawsuit reads, stating that Carli’s death was why Burnham was taking Xanax.

Burnham told Cline three times the pendant contained his daughter’s ashes, and even showed Cline her name and date of birth and death engraved on the outside of the charm, according to the lawsuit.

“Officer Cline forced Mr. Burnham to remove it from his neck, without his consent or approval and over his objections,” the lawsuit continues. “Cline said he believed it to be cocaine and dumped the ashes from the cross onto the hood of his patrol car. After seeing the ashes were not cocaine, Cline wiped Burnham’s daughter’s ashes to the ground. Defendant Cline destroyed personal property belonging to the plaintiff, including his daughter’s remains.”

Seeing what occurred, Burnham “could do nothing but break down and cry,” the lawsuit states. “Defendant Cline’s conduct was outrageous beyond all bounds of decency and utterly intolerable in a civilized society,” the lawsuit says.

The city’s policy also requires officers to turn on their patrol vehicle’s lights or a camera when they make a stop. Cline did neither, according to the lawsuit.

In January, Scoggins said an internal investigation into the accusation was found to be inconclusive — impossible to prove or disprove — due to lack of physical evidence or further witnesses.

The investigation report stated Cline had been working hurricane detail and had found it unusual for someone to be walking at that time of night following a hurricane. In the report, Cline stated that Burnham appeared to be intoxicated as his speech was slightly slurred. The officer started talking to Burnham, who was never advised to stop, according to the report. Burnham denied being intoxicated.

Cline looked inside the crucifix, realized Burnham was telling the truth about the contents being ashes and screwed the top of the pendant back on and apologized for the loss of Burnham’s daughter, according to the report. He said he did not dump the ashes out. Cline also stated it had been drizzling rain at the time with wind between 10 to 15 mph. He did not radio in the stop, as another officer was on the radio at the time. No officers were with Cline in the patrol car.

Scoggins said Cline had been with the agency for six years and had been assigned to the special operations unit which handles drug cases for almost five years.

Lt. Roger Chilton said Cline resigned from his full-time position about a month ago and started his own mortgage brokerage. Cline still works for the department as a reserve part-time officer, Chilton said. He said Cline’s decision to resign from his full time duties was not related to Burnham’s complaint.

Chilton said he could not comment further except to say the lawsuit had been turned over to the city’s insurance company. A phone message left with one of Burnham’s attorneys seeking comment was not returned Tuesday. Cline could not be reached for comment.

[OverBoardProject]

That sucks! That poor man!

Thanks for the article Blazee. It was a good read.

I don't know why the police force there and the city don't just do the right thing and talk to Burnham.
That case clearly doesn't belong n the courts, and they're just doing more damage than repair.

In cases like that someone should meet with the person and have a nice calm conversation.
Take the time to find out what they can do to resolve the problem.
I'm sure that Burnham probably has a good idea of what he wants already. And it might be as simple as a formal apology, or a few thousand bux.

Doing this would probably help Burnham with the healing process, save the city a lot of money, and keep the case out of the court house where it sure doesn't belong.

A happy (as possible) ending for all!