you think YOUR garage is nice???

[R.W.240]

Originally Posted by LT1-Power

also go ahead R.W. take each little line apart in a quote and try to find something wrong with it or that you can make fun of.

Alright.

Originally Posted by LT1-Power

Keep on being an asshole, maybe once u could just read something, think about it, absorb the material,

I absorb enough from Carrol Smith Books to be able to shut out a moron with LT1 Penis Envy

Originally Posted by LT1-Power

and go on about your day without calling someone "fucking stupid" especially someone with half-way decent grammar and writing ability besides all else. The only thing that gets
you, is being "fucking stupid" yourself buddy. Think about that one.

I may not know enough to get into flow stagnation and such like Nissan Eleitist but I know to shut the fuck up and listen rather than make shitty assumtions on old knowledge.

Cam Bearings - Honda B16 and K20 and the RB26 see over 15,000 and 12,000 respectively on a semi regular basis and have no reported problems. So they must have bearings? oh yeah... NOPE.

CG of a DOHC Motor? - W(hat) T(he) F(uck) X 1000000000

Oh yeah - At Nissan Eleitist STALLOWNAGE

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first of all, you are an idiot if you think real mechanics tools are messy, dirty and unorganized. my tools at my house and my shop look like that guys box. and i use ALL of them OFTEN. every mechanic i know cleans and organizes his tools nearly every day. clean tools last longer, and organization helps work faster to make flatrate. but being the master mechanic you are, i assume you know all this.

I just wonder why you think the SR head is so marvelous?

i agree with this. the SR head is above average, but still a late 80s design. the late model roller-rockers help somewhat, as does VTC, but it still has only average flow

The Camshafts on that engine suck

your opinion

First off there are no bearings, this go against my rules here, it is not easily serviceable, it is prone to failure.......

ummm no. nissan's rules >*> your rules
it is very easy to work on and i have never heard of an SR blowing up because of head/valvetrain failure...

Then there are the rocker arms. Now these almost work like that ancient old technology pushrod v8 shit you guys hate. The only real difference in the operation is the pushrod engine has the pushrod being moved by the cam which moves the rocker. The SR20 just has the cam right on the rocker, eliminating the pushrod piece.

and the lifter.
...more efficient, simpler, eliminates parts that potentially fail, tell me how its more prone to failure

still though, for an engine designed ~ 1990 its decent.

you now have cams up high on the engine, making a higher center of gravity, and on a v engine a much wider less compact, heavier engine.

are you still talking about the SR? huh?

This leads me to one other problem. With the same rocker action and valve movement as a pushrod v8 sbc that sucks with all these new technology import fanatics.... you now have to power those cams. This requires a more massive, longer chain that is also put against tensioners. This creates more drag on the crankshaft then a sbc timing set.

almost a nice point but ummm you forgot to mention that the v8 chain is already larger and heavier than the SR chain. and any extra power loss taken up by the MASSIVE force a tensioner exerts on the chain is dwarfed by the extra mass of the pushrod/lifter assemblies that the cam has to lift

and dont even try and argue the "duuuhhhh one cam weighs less so....ummm 1 cam > 2 cams" i hope you are smarter than that

It is also a good idea to run metal headgaskets on SR's... lol

try doubling a pushrod v8 output on the stock v8 headgasket.
better yet, try doubling the output of a pushrod v8 period without total reinforcement of the valvetrain, bottom end, and more.

I really do not think they are a tank of an engine that lasts forever

they last longer than any v8 out there. period. and they can make much more power per liter, per cylinder, and be much more reliable at those power levels.

Many of them get rebuilt as soon as being put in or soon on down the line. Many blow up. They really don't last long, I consider long 250,000+ miles...

yeah...if its out, might as well rebuild it. youd do the same with a v8.
consider that a great deal of the people who put the motors in have a shop do it, and a huge percentage of the ones who blow their motors are ricers or rich kids who dont take good care of their motors. if v8s were treated the same, theyd blow too.

id get 250k out of any SR i owned. i drove my old SR powered sentra HARD(45k or so per year) and never had one problem with it, right up until it got rear ended at 130k

I look at it from a mechanical operation point of view.

no... you look at it from your point of view

also go ahead R.W. take each little line apart in a quote and try to find something wrong with it or that you can make fun of. Keep on being an asshole, maybe once u could just read something, think about it, absorb the material, and go on about your day without calling someone "fucking stupid" especially someone with half-way decent grammar and writing ability besides all else. The only thing that gets you, is being "fucking stupid" yourself buddy. Think about that one.

wow cuz thats a mature response. you need to realize that your point of view is purely formed from your own experiences and same with everyone else. your arguments however are more one sided and lacking any real basis of reference than RWs. you dont like mopar but in the 70s, the hemi straight OWNED all other v8s. period. better in every facet of design. still nowdays the new hemi uses *ahem* pent-roof combustion chambers(technology taken from imports) while the uberl33t ls6 uses ancient technology combustion chambers

please learn all sides of the issue before you try to make your point. it helps make you sound smarter

[sidewayzS13]

this thread sucked after 4 post and i didnt read it all so i might be repeating someones post but about his tools and all havent any on you ever heard of OCD obsessive compulsive disorder well its not a myth some people actually have it

[orestes]

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[R.W.240]

Originally Posted by orestes

IN RUSSIA THE URANIUM ENRICHES YOU!!!!

Hahahhhaahah

In Soviet Russia car drives you.

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by R.W.240

have you ever seen pictures of the inside of an ALMS work shop? or even a high dollar SCCA team? Everything is Immaculate and in place. why? because everything goes smoother when things are in their place and not greasy as shit. Just because Joe's Tranny shop in Po-Dunk Flordia doesnt keep their shit clean doesnt mean good mechanics have to.

Originally Posted by LT1-Power

and dude, those guys aren't the best mechanics in the world.

Yeah, they suck. That's why they work for a professional race team and you don't.

Hush up, you don't know jack. Stop wasting my bandwidth, and you're making baby Jesus cry with your banter on SR's.

I literally laughed out loud about your example on how a SR is top heavy cause it's got some cams at the top rather in the block like your LT1 motor.

My SR20DET when shipped to me weighed roughly 400lbs (stated on the shipping order) on the pallet. That included Motor with all accessories and manifolds, transmission, ECU, full wiring harness, and driveshaft.

The LT1 itself, weighs 525lbs with accesories, not including the heavy T56 manual transmission or 4L60E auto.

I don't care how much the two camshafts weigh... the whole package weighs less than your motor does by itself. So obviously... shut your face.

And stop talking like the LT1 is the wave of the future. Last I check, it was discontinued in '97. The SR was made up till '02 in the S15. Nissan must of done something right to keep it production for what? 13 years (1989-2002), compared to the LT1's short lived 5 year history (1992-1997.)

[SR240Z]

yea the LT1 if anything is a bit outdated, still running roller rockers, they should have continued the DOHC ZR1 or LT5 as you may know it, much better design and good power output. The s13 red and blacktops had a higher ported head than the S14 and S15 because there was no VTC so there was much more flow in the early generation sr20. Not saying the sr20 is perfect as it does have its weaknesses, but the lt1 is not the almight american engine so i wouldnt get too carried away.

[NissanElitist]

Originally Posted by RedNeck383

And stop talking like the LT1 is the wave of the future. Last I check, it was discontinued in '97. The SR was made up till '02 in the S15. Nissan must of done something right to keep it production for what? 13 years (1989-2002), compared to the LT1's short lived 5 year history (1992-1997.)

The SR is still produced to date.

SR20VET lives on!

Long live the SR!

[ac427cpe]

and back to topic.... that garage was pretty slick

[TerminalVelocity]

Shut Your Face!

Indeed!

[91300zxtt]

Psht, damn Dan, coming in here trying to get ppl back on topic. I'm goin off topic, how did you do sat.. at PIR?

Back on topic now. I'd live there, so i would deffinately love to have that as just a garage.

[orestes]

Awesome Quick Thread Recovery Batman!!

[D-Bo]

the guy MIGHT have ocd.. thats a real possibility. i've never seen such an immaculate job on keeping a garage clean, but that might also be due to the fact that everything is brand spankin new. ever thought of the possibility that this guy MAY NOT have had the garage long enough to use all the tools and get them filthy? i did. and this guy ACTUALLY USES HIS GARAGE. apparently this picture wasn't working for you when you looked at the thread, if in fact you saw the whole thing.



is that not a ferrari engine? and a ferrari on a hoist without an engine?? maybe they're not the best mechanics in the world, but why would they care about anything they're not driving?? do you think the guy gives 2 shits about an LT1?? NO cause he has better engines in better cars.

you gotta get rid of your tunnel vision. same with nissan371T15T. yeah, the sr is a good engine, but NEWSFLASH there are other good engines on our earth!!!

[LT1-Power]

Originally Posted by D-Bo

you gotta get rid of your tunnel vision. same with nissan371T15T. yeah, the sr is a good engine, but NEWSFLASH there are other good engines on our earth!!!

thats what I've been trying to say all along. I don't think the LT-1 is best, and in fact I challenge you to find ANYWHERE where I said that, some would say the LS-1 is better, which mind you had less of a prodcution run then 5 years in the f-body. I know the Big Block Chevy is better, it will make more power guranteed. I also like some of the ideas and parts behind the new LS7. I do however strongly believe the LT-1 is a much better street engine then a SR20. I also think the LS7 is one of the first production naturally aspirated v8's making above 500hp at the crank, I could be wrong on that though, whats your badass SR20 make? of yeah 202hp at the crank. I also know a LS-1 is lighter then a KA24de.


hey nissan elitest, cams run with a film of oil on the contact surfaces? no shit.. what else works like that. Thats an amazing concept LMFAO...

and you tried jerking me off with airflow numbers again. Thousands and thousands of people can tell you heads can be modified to flow more air. So really airflow isn't a big deal, a professional engine builder can make just about any head flow a lot of air. I look for mechanical advantages, one the SR has over the KA is the ability to run higher lift, but I think that is pretty pointless given KA's are making more power then you can pretty much use on the street, we've had this argument before, you go drive a 600hp KA-T on the street and come back and tell me it sucks and needs more valve lift when its already making twice the power as what your car has R.W.

ALSO SR240z, the DOHC 5.7 is known as a LT-5, not and/or ZR-1. That is the model designation on a corvette the LT-5 came in. You wouldn't call a sr20det a SE because its in a SE model 240sx?

Also the SR20 timing chain is a lot longer, and the last one I took apart had two timing gears, not one. As luck would have it, I happen to have a SR20 timing chain and a LT-1 timing chain that I can weigh to see the difference. Now if things like that don't matter to your biasm, don't even mention light wheels, light flywheels, or unsprung weight around here again and waiste my bandwith.

SR no cam bearings=junk yard


also you say the SR lasts longer then any V8 period. I find that to be the worst comment you have ever said. Fact is I've never seen a SR20 with over 300,000 miles that is untouched and still running, hell its going to be one hell of an easter egg hunt to find an untouched SR20DET with over 100,000 miles. I can find you hundreds of LT-1's and small block chevies over 300 grand and still just as fast as day 1. I beg you to actually PROVE me wrong, just show me 1 sr20 with over 300,000 miles on it without it being worked on. Then I will show you a lot of SBC's with over 300,000. I own one with 337,000 miles personally and it gets abused pretty damn hard. It has also overheated more times then you've probably gotten laid, I'd like to see your aluminum head contraption that is god's gift survive that without some warpage.

The Fact that the small block chevy has been in production for over 52 years in GM regular production passenger cars and is still being used in heavy work trucks goes to show you that it works. It is the most numerous engine in the world, now if it sucked so bad that wouldn't be the case. They would be using SR20's in all the NPR's and 3500 pick-up trucks lol.

If you think the argument that a DOHC timing set adds more mass to the top of an engine is stupid, go look at some engine blocks and compare. If you think trying to reduce weight on the top of the car is stupid, go talk to some race car manufactuers. Some of the fastest production cars out now are still running pushrod engines... go figure

see Mosler MT900s, C6 Z06, Saleen S7.

[ac427cpe]

dude, seriously.... drop it. start a thread where it belongs, or i'll ask you to go away for a few days.