M3 Opponents

[00 lightning]

How about a 03 cobra or a lightning? My best 1/4 to date is 12.6 in my lightning.

[LSs1Power]

Originally posted by SSilver
I don't wanna come on your board and start stuff but with my own personal experience with M3's (I've only raced 2) I have one both times by a reasonable amount which was at least 3 car lengths each time.

I don't mean to bash the M3 because it is an awesome car and I am looking to purchase one in the next months. Also its like comparing apples and oranges, a camaro will obviously take the M3 on the drag strip and if modded correctly it would take it on the road racing course but stock for stock I think the Camaro would get it on the drag strip and M3 on the raod racing.

my .02$

Collin

I agree with SSilver, not only because i own a Camaro. I raced a E46M3 from a stop twice with the same outcome and i ended in front of him by 1- 1 1/2 car by the end of 3rd gear. M3's aren't meant for drag racing, but they will do good in race tracks.

[LSs1Power]

Originally posted by 00 lightning
How about a 03 cobra or a lightning? My best 1/4 to date is 12.6 in my lightning.

L's are fast in the 1/4 mile because they always get good 60ft's time which will lower their ET. I think from a roll the L wont do as good with the M3. Whats the traps on your 12.6 run? The 03 Cobra is another monster, i wouldnt compare it with a M3 nor M5. Your talking about 360RWHP car which mean 268RWKW thats about 425 Flywheel HP and 315KW STOCK and all that power moves 3600LBS car which is still good power to weight ratio. The 03 Cobra with simple mods could see close to 500RWHP which will make it compete with Vipers at that level.

[00 lightning]

LSs1Power, your right, a stock lightning probably couldn't hang on a 70+ role. It seems to be aerodynamically challenged. My mph on that run was 106. I've knocked a half second off my 1/4, but for some reason cant get anymore mph. Other lightnings running these times are around 109/110. I dynoed 360 rwhp w/ a chip and filter. I was running 13.1 at that time. Since then I've added a bit so it should be around 400 rwhp.

[T/A Barracus]

Originally posted by Pennzoil GT-R
you cant ever compare a car like the M3 to any of those American heaps of shit. Not meanin to put down American cars in any way, but America just cant build a car like the Germans can. Only competition in the same category is the C32 AMG. And straight line speed is the least important measure of speed, handling is where its alll at. And in that department my friends, the M3 has all but the best beaten

The M3 is a great vehicle, but America holds it's own in making performance cars that out perform the M3 in every aspect except luxury, and thats why we have Cadillac

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...?ArticleID=224

And the Fbody's (Camaro and TransAm) pull in a decent .87 lateral G's, which is right up there with the M3, but like I said before we can't touch you in the performance to comfort level.

[Pennzoil GT-R]

Originally posted by T/A Barracus


The M3 is a great vehicle, but America holds it's own in making performance cars that out perform the M3 in every aspect except luxury, and thats why we have Cadillac

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...?ArticleID=224

And the Fbody's (Camaro and TransAm) pull in a decent .87 lateral G's, which is right up there with the M3, but like I said before we can't touch you in the performance to comfort level.

i will not slate American cars, because there are some good cars(Corvette and Viper),but the one problem is ease of driving.I think most magazines and owners will tell you a Vette and a Viper are hard to drive at the limit. A skilled driver will get good times out of them,but the problem is they are all about grip,and not about handling,which is what makes a REALLY quick car.A normal driver will screw up,and even michael schumacher cannot drive 100% perfect.

[crayzayjay]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/feature...p?ArticleID=224

i dont know who this Bryan Herta is, but judging from some of his comments im guessing he learnt to drive yesterday

[robslob]

the M3 is a great car------but I think a definite overpriced one. Most dealers are selling the convertible for $60k-----because they can . . . will get it for that. The 03 Cobra-----is pretty much a BEAST. With a supercharger capable of 15psi-----when it comes off the showroom floor at 8psi-----well---you guys get the picture----BMW needs to put something new on the table-----they'll probably supercharge the M3----some one made a comment on this thread about the AMG models-----they are definetely a bit overrated-----especially with the weak superchargers they carry. The 03 Cobra is the top supercharged car out there----my apologies----to the 493hp SL55AMG------your car is way too heavy----and the supercharger used by that car is of lower quality than Eaton------may be quiter------but the Eaton slams home more torque---------Hp sells the cars----but torque wins the races. M3, all AMG cars---get out the way----the Cobra is coming through------and you can't catch up :finger:

[LSs1Power]

Originally posted by robslob
The 03 Cobra is the top supercharged car out there----my apologies----to the 493hp SL55AMG------your car is way too heavy----and the supercharger used by that car is of lower quality than Eaton.

I would like to comment on the SL55 thing. FYI the SL55 did beat the GT2 and Marcialgo to 300Km(186mph) In stock form. I wouldnt call that weak or slow. Yes it is heavy but the car will do the 1/4mile in 12.5 at 116 which is faster than a stock 03 Cobra. Maybe it is slower to 60 due to weight adv. for the cobra but it will carry it self after that and will catch a GT2 or Lambo Marcilago after that. So imagine doing a roll with this beast on the highway at 60mph, it wouldnt even be pretty seeing it pulling away like ur standing still. I would call that fast enough for a lux sport coupe cov. Dont u think so?

[robslob]

is on the superchargers used by the SL 55 AMG as opposed to the Cobra------if you read closely----which you did not not------I spoke of the 03 Cobra Eaton supercharger--as opposed to the used by the Sl55 AMG version-------FOR YOUR INFORMATION-----the stock supercharger on the SL55 AMG is running at its maximum psi---the 03 COBRA is not The 03 Cobra runs 8psi-----off the factory grounds-----it's supercharger has a 15psi---limit. If the Cobra's supercharger is running its maximum boost----then it easily makes over 500rwhp-------not 500 fllywheel horsepower-------but 500RWHP-----with this car weighing at3,660lbs vs. the 4235lbs that the SL carries-------its an easy victory for the Cobra----those were the comparisons-------oh and I did forget to mention-----that the 03 cobra-----is much more striking appearance wise---than Mercedes top dog-----$100,000 for that-----its embarassing how overpriced Mercedes makes their cars-----especially when AMG 'ripped off' their concepts from SVT:silly2:

[LSs1Power]

Originally posted by robslob
is on the superchargers used by the SL 55 AMG as opposed to the Cobra------if you read closely----which you did not not------I spoke of the 03 Cobra Eaton supercharger--as opposed to the used by the Sl55 AMG version-------FOR YOUR INFORMATION-----the stock supercharger on the SL55 AMG is running at its maximum psi---the 03 COBRA is not The 03 Cobra runs 8psi-----off the factory grounds-----it's supercharger has a 15psi---limit. If the Cobra's supercharger is running its maximum boost----then it easily makes over 500rwhp-------not 500 fllywheel horsepower-------but 500RWHP-----with this car weighing at3,660lbs vs. the 4235lbs that the SL carries-------its an easy victory for the Cobra----those were the comparisons-------oh and I did forget to mention-----that the 03 cobra-----is much more striking appearance wise---than Mercedes top dog-----$100,000 for that-----its embarassing how overpriced Mercedes makes their cars-----especially when AMG 'ripped off' their concepts from SVT:silly2:

I know what ur talking about, but i meant to say that the SC on the SL55 is doing its job. If u put the Eaton SC on the SL55 it will be overspun too. The motor is 5.4L and it needs something as strong as the Kenny Bell SC to give it what it needs. MB tuners knows that the SC on the SL55 is maxed out and some of them now have Chips which will add 60HP from this maxed out SC. Some of them are thinking about swaping a stronger SC instead of this maxed out one. And believe me the people who is going to pay 160K for this car wont find it hard to add another 30K for SC swap and modding the car. But i wouldnt be comparing the 03Cobra to a SL55, come on man. Oh one more thing MB cars are set for topspeed runs more than 1/4mile runs. If u ask me who would win from 0-200mph, 03Cobra has 500RWHP and the SL55 has stock 500HP i would say SL55. Dont forget the .27CD for the SL which helps it alot at topspeeds. In germany they usually cruise at speeds over 160MPH. 03Cobra will find that hard to do and be stable like the SL55. Anyways we are comparing two different cars here and we can on and on over this thing.

U should check this thread to get an idea about MB tuners http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...threadid=17878

I know that the 03Cobra is going to have a Kenny Bell SC upgrade too and it will give around 600RWHP. U can read this tread about it http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...hreadid=179399

[robslob]

I'd have to say that you are definetely right about the 0-200mph---and thats only a result of the Cobra not being capable than more than 175mph with the governor removed. I have to say though, if the car was capable of more than 200mph----I would still go with the cobra------simply because the Cobra has more top end power at 4000rpm-----but this is all mere speculation----because the Cobra has a redline of 6,600rpm-------so unless it was extended------it wouldn't be able to match the SL55s above 7,000rpm. You were dead right about the stability issue on the Cobra-------above 120mph------its unstable-----in stock form-----that car needs a simple swap of the rear upper and lower control arms------as well as a swap of the k-member--and addition of coil over springs to keep stability at speeds above that-----I speak on experience since my supercharged 01 Cobra----has undergone every imaginable mod short of turning into into a Nascar runner. From evrything I've read-------the 2006 SVT Cobra------will put to shame every car outhere--------Its going to be a beast according to all of the initial press------and it should be considering that Chevy is coincidentally put out the new C6 Vette the same year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 06 Cobra----becomes top dog outhere despite the Vipers and Vettes-----I interpret the 03 as a warning to all manufacturers----that a monster is on its way------I believe the 06 Cobra will beengineered much the same way the 2000 Cobra R was--------because that vehicle was capable of remaining planted at over 200mph------I know it wasn't capable of that speed stock wise------but with a supercharger and rev extendeder---SVT claims that it would------considering the mustangs design-------its definetely going to be a challenge---but doable. I agreeb with ya bro----any one who pays 100k for a mercedes-----probably wouldn't flinch at dropping another 30k on a supercharger upgrade------thats just sick. . . but they can:bandit:

[robslob]

I'm going to have to yield to the 0-200mph race----only because you were dead right----I forgot that I posted that some aftermarket mods would give the Cobra the edge----but I realize that the Mercedes is capable stock wise-----so I do have to yield-----unfair mismatch

[robslob]

I just would like to say----that yes your cars are expensive---because they are of high quality------but I as ford owner and Cobra owner/lover------will say-----that our aftermarket allows us to build a car that can eat you up------and out handle you-----SVT may not want to put a car off the floor that can do so-----but thats not to bite the nose of of our aftermarket . . . anyone that does question this remark-------go to www.kennybrown.com--------because he has gotten every SVT Cobra within range of the world's top exotic cars-------and most importantly-----for a reasonable price--------not for 30k-60k prices that other non ford competitor tuners do . . . So I finish by saying AMG puts out what can be interpreted as a fully aftermarket car-----but does charge accordingly so for it------but us Ford aftermarket guys know-----we can take you out with our superior tuning equipment.

[LSs1Power]

At last someone can have a mature argument on this forum. Hey robslob, i really enjoyed talking about both cars with u. I used to own a Cobra too, but u shouldnt be hard core SVT guy on this forum since its all automotive forums lol. There are some nice cars out there and i would give them some credit. I wont be comparing how slow is SL500 compared to my Camaro, u know what i mean. I love the SVT 03 and i wish that they were out before i bought my Camaro. and one more thing, anything can be made fast and handel well on turns with money. Hell on TV i saw a bus running 10's at 140's LOL. Anyways keep the good posts coming.