Nearly raced an 86' ferarri testarossa and got a new PB

[jeffs_GTP_sleeper]

Originally Posted by mason_RsX

Man your GTP always impresses me, whooping ferraris and running 11s, you just make it seem so easy, which its SO not!!

and a question...Is ur GTP auto? I thought all new Grand Prix's were auto only...U just said u revved so I wasnt sure if you put it into neutral then back to drive

Thanks, nope just a little rev in Drive while cruising next to him. I have a 4speed auto but my 3-4 shift isnt until 128-132mph, lol so it is really like I have a 3speed auto. Probably sounds boring to most of you, 3 gears...

[bad360rt]

I hear ya, the heat sucks, can't wait for cooler weather.

I'm in the same boat with the auto, 4 speed here too, but it never sees 4th

[-Josh-]

My favorite Grand Prix on AF. Does it still look stock on the outside?

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by drdisque

the testarossa was mainly made to be a top speed/hooligan car. It weighed in at a very unferrari-like 3660 lbs.

Have you looked at the weights of most of the Ferrari's built these days? 3500+lbs isn't uncommon for those cars.

Most 'Uber' Cars these days are in the 3800-4200lbs range. Although they've got highly sophisticated powerplants to get the heft moving, they're still way fat.

Fat or not, I'd still wouldn't mind one or two.

[camaroincal]

Originally Posted by clawhammer

Good job Jeff. I think you might be the fastest car here on AF. You're like .003 ahead of JekylandHyde, and now that Hypsi is no longer with us, you may just be the fastest. Congrats.

Just goes to show that the boosted GM 3.8 is truly the sleeper engine....
Although the N/A versions of the 3.8 get no respect...

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by camaroincal

Just goes to show that the boosted GM 3.8 is truly the sleeper engine....
Although the N/A versions of the 3.8 get no respect...

That's because the N/A versions aren't the same beast as the Boosted versions.

Something to do with intake or headgaskets aren't all that great on the N/A versions. If I recall correctly.

[i3o2Matt]

Originally Posted by King Of Crunk

it was making 490fwhp last time i checked, so it should still be around there...

ehh....on his website i see 347 fwhp m 382 tq...so yah...not exactly 490...unless he's got a "go baby go" button...

[bad360rt]

Originally Posted by jeffs_GTP_sleeper

Good luck with the PBs, that is one fast truck!

Got a new pb last night, see sig. Had to let off and peddle it across the line, was running lean on the topend. If I can get enough fuel in it, I think I can pick up another tenth or two, we'll see

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by camaroincal

Just goes to show that the boosted GM 3.8 is truly the sleeper engine....
Although the N/A versions of the 3.8 get no respect...

The only N/A 3800 that was reliable and quick was the series 1, the series two is doggy and leaks like a sieve after 50K miles. The reason the Supercharged version didn't leak as much is because they used metal gaskets instead of the shitty reusables/rubbers that the N/A's used. The series 1 supercharged L67 engines on the other hand were plagued with problems.

So:

Series 1 N/A > Series 2 N/A
Series 1 S/C < Series 2 S/C

And Series 3 L32(supercharged) > ALL Except Series 1 N/A


JJ

[camaroincal]

Originally Posted by -Josh-

The only N/A 3800 that was reliable and quick was the series 1, the series two is doggy and leaks like a sieve after 50K miles. The reason the Supercharged version didn't leak as much is because they used metal gaskets instead of the shitty reusables/rubbers that the N/A's used. The series 1 supercharged L67 engines on the other hand were plagued with problems.

So:

Series 1 N/A > Series 2 N/A
Series 1 S/C < Series 2 S/C

And Series 3 L32(supercharged) > ALL Except Series 1 N/A


JJ

Umm, the series 1 3.8 n/a have like...170 hp. Series 2 has 200 hp... Series 2 also has slightly improved fuel econemy and it weighs less than the series 1.

[jeffs_GTP_sleeper]

Congrats! Wow 120mph trap, very nice!

My car has 347whp + whatever I gained from adding a little compression, maybe another 5-7whp. My gains were pretty much all from putting the car on a 200-300lb diet.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by camaroincal

Umm, the series 1 3.8 n/a have like...170 hp. Series 2 has 200 hp... Series 2 also has slightly improved fuel econemy and it weighs less than the series 1.

What does horsepower ratings have to do with how good an engine is? I got 31mpg in my 89 LeSabre going to philly and that thing had more than enough balls to get going quick enough, my old man got 28 on the highway in his demo that had the series 2. And it was 165 horsepower not 170. Ask anyone who's ever worked on any of the engines, they'll tell you the best GM 3.8 was the series 1 hands down, no questions asked, dont even try to argue the 3800 with me, you wont win.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by jeffs_GTP_sleeper

Congrats! Wow 120mph trap, very nice!

My car has 347whp + whatever I gained from adding a little compression, maybe another 5-7whp. My gains were pretty much all from putting the car on a 200-300lb diet.

Have you seen the new 3900 Series 3 engines they're putting in the GXP G6's? 245 horsepower stock, it's basically the 3800 bored out a bit. All i could say when i saw it was WOW.

[camaroincal]

Originally Posted by -Josh-

What does horsepower ratings have to do with how good an engine is? I got 31mpg in my 89 LeSabre going to philly and that thing had more than enough balls to get going quick enough, my old man got 28 on the highway in his demo that had the series 2. And it was 165 horsepower not 170. Ask anyone who's ever worked on any of the engines, they'll tell you the best GM 3.8 was the series 1 hands down, no questions asked, dont even try to argue the 3800 with me, you wont win.

The reason I posted the hp figures is because you were leading people to believe that somehow the Series 1 N/A is more powerfull and more reliable than the series 2 N/A. You said in your post the Series 2 is "doggy" and the Series 1 is "quick and reliable"..or something like that...You also said that ALL Series 2's "leak like a siev" after 50k miles...cmon now, you know that's not true.

There is also a well-known drag racer by the name of Harry Doolittle who runs a Firebird with a 3800 series 2 N/A in the NHRA stock eliminator class. Last time I checked he was in the 11's....N/A....

Okay I dug up a nice read about him and his car. Here it is.

http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimate...0;t=001781;p=1

Or, if you just want quick proof....Look on the top of the hood here. Clearly shows "L36"
http://www.nhra.com/2003/events/race...k/photo16.html

[-Josh-]

The RWD 3800 Series 2 is not the FWD series 2, and yes they are capable of big numbers, i know a recipe that could get me a 700horsepower series 2 N/A 3800.

They do leak like a siev, do you have any idea how many of these intake jobs i have to warranty for people every day? This includes the 3.1,3.4, and the 3.8... And those are only the ones that are still under factory warranty 3/36,000 miles. It gets worse as they get more miles on them.

Lets continue our discussion in pm's from here out though.

Edit: I'm not saying the 3800 is a bad engine over all, imo, it's one of GM's best, just some are better such as the series 1.