Indeniable proof

yes tha bible was written by several different men, and has been proven that it has been changed by tha catholic (sp). well not changed, but pages and books taken out by tha catholics. And I donot believe every thing to a "t" in tha bible. But I do believe in God and Jesus christ. I do believe in his teachings. I have seen true mirricles and I have experianced them personaly. Things that would be unexplaneable by science. nothing can change my mind. Ever. And if real proof was to pop up, I wouldent change my opnion. I would rather live a happy, love filled life full of hope, than be miserable and lost. I will not turn my back on my faith!!!!

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by karmacae

I do believe in God and Jesus christ. I do believe in his teachings. I have seen true mirricles and I have experianced them personaly. Things that would be unexplaneable by science. nothing can change my mind. Ever. And if real proof was to pop up, I wouldent change my opnion. I would rather live a happy, love filled life full of hope, than be miserable and lost. I will not turn my back on my faith!!!!

Tell it sister!!!

[2.2 Straight six]

i dont have a religion/belief.. but if such proof came out i can honestly say i would go out, get drunk an do some dui - dancing under the influence.

[AlmostStock]

Originally Posted by twospirits

Question.

If all of a sudden there came about some indeniable proof that religion is just myths or tales, what would that do to your beliefs and your faith whatever it may be. Strengthen it, cause chaos, what?

It would do nothing to my beliefs. I already believe it's all a bunch of stories made up by man.


Let's turn the tables. For all those who don't believe, answer this.
What would you do if God showed up tomorrow and said <enter any religion> was completely %100 true?

[twospirits]

If he showed up as a man or in a body of a man, he would either be

1-shot on sight,
2-handcuffed and thrown in a mental institution
3-extradited to Iran, China, Israel.

Seriously, I do not think it would matter, cause one religion would argue its not true, another would say its the antichrist etc etc.

Its a never ending cycle.

TS out

[ghetto7o2azn]

i feel that you people are taking this too litteraly... you need to open up your minds and think about what is being said...

if there was UNDENIABLE proof, meaning it 100% disproved any religion.. then of course it would make completely no sense to still believe it... we are talking about if it were a proven fact...

and it goes the other way arround too.. he never said that if god came down as a "human".. he said, if God came to earth and he proved undeniably that he was real, and that there was only one true religion... well then in that case, the obvious choice would to belive in it since it would be a FACT that it was real..

which is why i now realize that this is probably a stupid and pretty much pointless thread... the obvious answer, if these people actually understood what was being said, would to be not believe in their former belief... there would be no point in doing it...

[Vtec95Civic]

Originally Posted by karmacae

you know, I never thaught of that. I think I would not believe it, and I would stand by what I believe. I wouldent chang my beliefs cuz of a piece of paper, and if another bieng came to us and said that, I defentaly wouldnot believe them. I would think they were tha antichrist or something. I really dont think a scroll or another bieng is proof one way or tha other....

You wouldn't believe a scroll that says it's all wrong, but you'll believe a book that says it's all correct??

[AlmostStock]

I guess this thread proves that most people have made up their minds one way or another no matter what happens. Oh well, it's still fun to talk about it.


I almost forgot to answer my own question:

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

What would you do if God showed up tomorrow and said <enter any religion> was completely %100 true?

I would probably say something like "Oh my God, I'll be damned"
Hopefully he has a sense of humor and we'd both have a good laugh!

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by Vtec95Civic

You wouldn't believe a scroll that says it's all wrong, but you'll believe a book that says it's all correct??

There is more to the belief than a book.

[thrasher]

There's not much logic or reason in most religious beliefs, so why would one expect someone who believes those things to change when presented with something that logically proves their beliefs to be incorrect.

[DGB454]

I swear some people just skip over other post before writting their own post.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Sorry.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

Let's turn the tables. For all those who don't believe, answer this.
What would you do if God showed up tomorrow and said <enter any religion> was completely %100 true?

I would certainly believe in the god, but at that points its not faith its just hey he's there. no denying it.

I don't think I would be scared though. I personally think a god (who is responsible for life) wouldn't not be so narrow minded as to punish people for being who they are. Good or Evil in the end its all biological.

What kind of god would repremand (sp?) me for instance for believing in facts, and not some book with a bunch of legends in it? It is human nature to believe what they know exists.

What kind of God would exclude people who can't read a bible and follow its teachings? What kind of God would exclude majority of the worlds population for not having access to bible or on in their language? Religion must be more then a tangible thing it must be within everyone.

What happens to people with serious mental illness? It is my feeling that a person who has no real inner thoughts can go to heaven or hell (whatever the after life is) then why couldnt an animal that might very well have more complex thoughts then a handicap person?

What happened to people before these religions?

These are just some of the questions i asked myself whenever I was choosing to think for myself about religion in general. As of now I just believe in A god. An all inclusive being must be out there.

The human mind is to weak contemplate the beginning and the end. People who cant stand NOT understanding, turn to religion for an explanation.

For me to have a religion (one in which I believed in a god) it would have to make complete and perfect sense to me.

If this post sounds like I'm rambling its because I have a million thoughts about religion, and its hard to explain them in a few sentences.

[ct91rs]

Ok, so you believe that "a" God exists. Good place to start, did the same thing myself. Now ask yourself if this God is someone that you can know or have an experience with in this lifetime. If he/she is, proceed. Now if this is the case, is this God represented in any of the world's religions? Not sure, fair enough. What are the differences in the major world religions? After some study you will find that there is only one world religion where salvation (i.e. a place in the afterlife/heaven) is a gift, and not something that is earned by merit(good works). Ah, quite the distinction. All of the world's religions are based on rules and/or conditions that must be followed in order to gain the approval of God, except Christianity.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no man can boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

So God sent his Son, Jesus, to live our life, but as no man had or ever could, in perfection, only to die a horrendous death. In doing so, he took our sins and imperfections from us, so we could one day be in the presence of God.

Now, if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and lived and died for your sins, you will make an active effort not to sin, because you don't wish to hurt someone who already suffered so much for you. Does that mean you no longer sin? No, that's not possible.

There is no empirical evidence that proves Jesus is the Son of God. You don't have to believe, that's where faith comes in. If God wanted, he could force you to believe, but that takes away the free will that is at the core of our being.

To say that a religion would have to make complete and perfect sense to you to believe it, is being a bit close-minded. When your take a step are you always careful that the floor is solid? No, you assume so, because of what other experiences have taught you. The physics behind why the floor is solid makes complete and perfect sense to a small percentage of the population.

If you want explanations to all your questions before you have faith in something, you will never have faith. There will always be things that are unexplained in this reality, as I believe God has intended.

I have spoken to many people who are stuck on small apparent inconsistencies that they find in Christianity, and refuse to believe because of such trivialities. But such people focus on these things because they do not want to feel compelled to believe. With these small arguments they can rationalize to themselves that Christianity isn't true. If everything about the human experience isn't explained in clear detail, you don't have to change your life, live by certain principles.

Many people also don't believe in global warming. The overwhelming evidence, and vast majority of the scientific community indicates that it is a real problem, but people who don't want to believe it exists inflate small inconsistencies in a minuscule amount of data, and thus it must not be so.

Well, what do you really believe? What does the core of your being tell you, the truth is there, everyone has it...

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Why wouldn't I have faith. I believe in A god, and I have faith that A god exist. My faith doesn't have to be formed by the ideas of a religion.

My MAIN point is why would god punish the the nature of the people he created? I believe I am a good person, but through my reasoning I don't believe in christianity. When I think about where existence itself came from I have to think there was someone or something (a god) that started everything. Why would a christian god punish me for thinking with facts? I would certainly believe an all knowing all inclusive being would take that into account.

Another point is that if the same poeple that believe in christianity grew up around any other religion a large majority of them would probably follow THAT religion. Why would god punish someone for the way they were raised?

I think what happens in the afterlife is already imbedded (sp?) in every person despite who they are. This just seems a little more "open-minded" then thinking that one religion which neither of which encompases majority of the worlds population would have the right answers. just my