All-Trac???

[91 Celica St]

weight, a z weighs 3300 with the enthusitst model,and evo weighs 3200 and sti weighs 3300

plus awd, and evo and sti can put 2-5 car lengths on a z with just the launch alone....but if you were to highway pull all 3 cars, it would be pretty even, but id put my money on the sti then the z then the evo, and lol evo power underrated?, if anything its overrated, ever seen and evo race an sti, with pretty equal drivers? the sti will put at least 3 cars on the evo...the evo has roughly 20 less hp and about 100 pounds less on the sti, but the sti has the variable tourque split to help with the launch

watch the last race both launch good,sti fucks up launch on his first run
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....tock%20evo&p=0

sti puts about a car on the launch...

in any case, i dont hate evos (as it may seem) alot of my hostility to them is beaucse some ppl in my town have them and there slow...one has 3' exhaust and 3' dp and ran a 14.9, one has a fully tuned standalone all exhaust stuff, 20 pounds of boost, has 350 WHP and only ran a 13.9...granted both of those prety much are cuz the drivers suck, but yea....

[Yaggus]

lol put it this way...we live in america

Wrong. You live in America. We dont. This is an INTERNATIONAL board.

Originally Posted by Moppie

7.5% of the worlds population who live in the USA, and this is a International forum,

Just becasue the site is based in America doesnt mean anything not USDM should be disregarded.

NOT IN JAPAN,

I never said you did.You may have misunderstood the reasoning behind the use of the JDM models. I used them as a base point of reference because the rest of the world uses the JDm based models. Although the Australian spec is slightly different to the JDM varient, it is 99% the same. This goes for the rest of the world as well. In Europe and the rest of [i}(I know the 'rest of the world' part might throw you because your American but try to stay with me here. JJ)[/i] the world EVO's and STi's are based on the JDM spec so that is why i used the JDM spec. I used it as the base figure for comparison because the majority of EVO's and STi's are based on that spec. Not because I or you, live in Japan.

unless you import in a jdm evo, then i could GIVE A FLYING FUCK about them

Im assuming you meant to say that you COULND'T give a flying fuck about them.

this is america

Maybe where your standing.

not japan and ewe dont have jdm cars over here we have USDM cars with USDM specs and USDM parts.... the sti is faster in the 1/4 mile stock for stock, nuff said
speed:

Yes, amazing. Conngratuations. The USDM Sti is faster in the 1/4 mile than the UDSM EVO. A 500cc advantage will help you do that. Thats why I compared the JDM versions, to keep the playing field level. There is barely 0.01 sec difference between them. It is basically a drivers race rather than the car with the bigger engine.

(and yes the 4g63 is being used again on the evo 9 and it does come with mivec technology, horsepower is only bumped up to 287 HP from 278 of the evo, and tourqe is NOT gained, its just a smoother tourque curve, peak tourqe stay s exactly ythe same

Yep thats right. But wouldnt the better curve make for better acceleration?

....but WHO GIVES A FUCK, this argument is based off UDSM evo8 VS USDM STI

Well I give a fuck. You have already stated the facts on the USDM models and I was stating that i was talking about the JDM versions. It isnt the same around the whole world and that is the point i was getting at. As for the EVO 8 compared to the EVO 9, i thought it was an interesting point to include. If you want to include a point about the new STi (which is FUGLY btw), knock yourself out. I'd love to hear about it.

handeling, is no contest, the sti outhandles the evo any day, and yes for those who dont know AYC is pretty much a traction control system kinda like a 350z VDC but on all 4 wheels, and instead of killing power it transferrs it....but who cares anyway evo8 didnt coem with it

Again in America this maybe the case. In the rest of the world this is not the case.

and yea like i said earlier the tourqe split system in the STI makes for perfect power displacment, it can tranferr up to 75% power up front or %90 power to the rear as needed, making handeling superb...not to mention the suspension is stiffer on the sti and the evo sits ALOT higher, making a lot higher center of gravity

Yes that is a kool function of the STi. It closed the gap between the two incredibly. But around a track, the JDM EVO will still edge it out.

the only thing ill give the evo credit is her e they both have LARGE aftermarket suport systems, i can and will say ive seen more moded evo's than sti's, but yif you were given a budget, you could make an sti faster than an evo for the same price
ill give that a no contest due to the fact taht there is slightly more evo support than sti, but due to the fact taht alot of parts for WRX imprezas are sold and some parts swappable with the stli, i would call that a draw

Yeah the scoobies have a lot of interchangable parts. When it comes to modding, the fact that you can swap the 2.5L engine into the STi gives it the advantage. In Australia the Evo aftermarket isnt NEARLY as strong as the EVO's. But due to that afore mentioned interchangabliluty of the parts I probably would give it to the STi in that respect.


[quotemost people on this site are american, and AN AMERICAN is asking the question, so who cares about JDM stuff? cuz i sure dont[/quote]

Well an American may have asked it. But a Canadian, English or Australian could be reading it. And just because it isnt offered in the US doesnt mean the parts could be imported there and added to a US spec car. Lots of people do that with USDM engines so ppl can do that to JDM options.

i dont disagree jdm evo and jdm sti are ALOT diffrent than usdm ones, this argument is basically pointless becuase neitehr site has any merit anyway.... cool ur right jdm ones are better then usdm and who knows, the jdm evo maky handle better/be faster and blah blah blah....but who cares?

I care. And a lot of other people will to. The 6th gen GT4 Celica isnt USDM. Does that mean we should all ignore that as well? No it doesn't. Think outside the square you live in.

Have a good one!!

-Anthony

[91 Celica St]

lol yoru whole argument gained no merit, most the poeple in this celica forum, except for a handfull of few are from america, plus the subtile fact that the guy answering is american, so why would i soupt out a WRONG answer with jdm crap other than what is right and what he should know

and yes the new sti front end is fucking ugly and gained no ground in performance, but it will stil out handle and out perform the evo 9

and yea, i said the evo 9 will have a better tourque curve but with no additioal tourqe....and your point was? tahts the evo 9, this argument is between the evo 8 and the sti...

your like the kinda person that is asked what he thinks about the iraq war and somehow the argument gets changed around to talking about the vietnam war...do you get my point?

keep arguing about all hte jdm blah blah blah stuff...he asked (an american) how fast his all trac will be and i simply replied probably on par with evos and sti's (in america)....again most on this celica forum are american there fore i right shit about USDM cars, WOW TIGHT JDM EVOS ARE BETTER THAN STIS DUDE TIGHT YO....dont care...im trying not to be a dick, but in all honesty, wow ur right, jdm evos are better than usdm ones, congrats, not like we al ldidnt know that anyway...AGAIN this argument is between (usdm) evo8 vs (usdm) sti, let me say it agian, and make it clearer




(usdm) evo8 vs (usdm) sti





there mabe nmow ull get it and wont bring up the whole evo9jdmstiuglyfrontendjdmevo8jdmtightyojdmmitsubis hievojdmtightness

[Yaggus]

Originally Posted by 91 Celica St

lol yoru whole argument gained no merit, most the poeple in this celica forum, except for a handfull of few are from america, plus the subtile fact that the guy answering is american, so why would i soupt out a WRONG answer with jdm crap other than what is right and what he should know

I know where most of the people from this form are from. But not all are from America. That was ALL I was saying.

and yes the new sti front end is fucking ugly and gained no ground in performance, but it will stil out handle and out perform the evo 9

and yea, i said the evo 9 will have a better tourque curve but with no additioal tourqe....and your point was? tahts the evo 9, this argument is between the evo 8 and the sti...

But wont a better torque curve will mean better acceleration even if there is no increase to the maximum output? The point was that it was an interesting point to consider. Although it could have been assumed that the conversation was about an EVO 8 it was never specified that the only EVO that could be considered was the 8. I thought the point on the EVO 9 was interesting so I included it. Terribly sorry if it offended you. Do you know if the USDM spec EVO 9 will have the AYC included in it yet?

your like the kinda person that is asked what he thinks about the iraq war and somehow the argument gets changed around to talking about the vietnam war...do you get my point?

No. I honestly dont. If your trying to allude to the fact that i included stuff about a car that model that isnt from your country then yes, well observed. Gold star for your effort.

keep arguing about all hte jdm blah blah blah stuff...he asked (an american) how fast his all trac will be and i simply replied probably on par with evos and sti's (in america)....again most on this celica forum are american there fore i right shit about USDM cars,

Yes i understand that. I was mearly providing an alternate veiw on 2 cars that are released in another country. In your post before my first one you had stopped talking about comparing the alltrac to the EVOs and STi's and were just comparing the latter two. That is when i thought my knowlage of JDM cars might be of interest.

WOW TIGHT JDM EVOS ARE BETTER THAN STIS DUDE TIGHT YO

Wow. Your so cool. Your trying to make me seem like a try hard ricer because i used the term "JDM." The JDM are the cars I get in my country so that is what i base my opinions and experiences from. I use the term JDM so you know that is the model im talking about. I dont use the term because its, as you put it "tight." I use it as a point of reference. Would it offend you less if next time I reffered to them as AUS spec?

...dont care...im trying not to be a dick,

But your succeeding so well anyway. I wonder how well you would go if you tried...

but in all honesty, wow ur right, jdm evos are better than usdm ones, congrats, not like we al ldidnt know that anyway

And thats all i was saying. I didnt think everyone on this board knew about AYC, the introduction of MIVEC, the fact that the STi's outside of America only have 2L engines. These boards are in place so people can learn something new.

...AGAIN this argument is between (usdm) evo8 vs (usdm) sti, let me say it agian, and make it clearer

Well your argument was. Mine wasnt. I was trying to introduce new variables to the argument eg. What about a JDM, sorry, AUS spec EVO vs a USDM STi? Would it be a closer match? Would it be different if you used the EVO 9 instead of the 8? My posts were to designed for people to consider something different that they may not have considered before. If you didnt want to answer them, then dont. Dont fill up the forums with stupid hating.

(usdm) evo8 vs (usdm) sti

Yes, as stated before I did get what you were comparing. I was comparing something different. Two different arguments buddy.

there mabe nmow ull get it and wont bring up the whole evo9jdmstiuglyfrontendjdmevo8jdmtightyojdmmitsubis hievojdmtightness

Dude, seriously, calm the fuck down. I am so terribly sorry to ruffle your feathers with my posts. Trying to liken me to a ricer is a pretty lame way of trying to attack me. In your post you said that the STi was much better than the EVO. I wasnt sure if you knew about all the differences between the AUS spec and the USDM spec so i told you about them. No need to get all shitty about it at me for it so just let it go if you dont want to be reasonable about it.

To try and bring this threat back from the brink, I will try and answer some of the All-Trac questions.

Chiquae07. Yes i would say that the car is worth it. I paid about $10,000AUS for mine and i would say its worth every penny. With those mods it makes it a bargain. Things to watch out for if you go to have a look at it. Check the gear changes. 2nd and 3rd gear syncros go out fairly often with those cars and getting it rebuilt wont be fun. If the gearbox is gone, you might want to consider upgrading to the Carlos Sainz gearbox as this has triple cone syncros on 3rd gear and double cone syncros on 2nd gear.

If you are going to take 91 Celica St's advice and rally it, I would be prepared to fork out for a new gearbox quite often as slippery surfaces eat gearboxes on AWD Celicas.

Im not sure how much alltracs weigh but the GT4 comes in with a hefty kerb weight of 1430kg. So although it is a fast car, it does have a bit of pork to lug around. They DO come with knock sensors but they can blow. I ran into problems with mine because my knock senor have blown with my car knocking like crazy. Even if your Knock sensor is blown, it itsnt that bigger deal to get it fixed.

Hope that helps and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

[blakscorpion21]

i dont think he has a comeback. lol

[91 Celica St]

Originally Posted by Yaggus

I know where most of the people from this form are from. But not all are from America. That was ALL I was saying.

k...

But wont a better torque curve will mean better acceleration even if there is no increase to the maximum output? The point was that it was an interesting point to consider. Although it could have been assumed that the conversation was about an EVO 8 it was never specified that the only EVO that could be considered was the 8. I thought the point on the EVO 9 was interesting so I included it. Terribly sorry if it offended you. Do you know if the USDM spec EVO 9 will have the AYC included in it yet?

cool yea a smoother tourqe curve would, i know beuase i said it....but hwo gives a fuck, how can you compare 2 cars when one isnt even out or been tested?

No. I honestly dont. If your trying to allude to the fact that i included stuff about a car that model that isnt from your country then yes, well observed. Gold star for your effort.

DAMN THOUGHT I WAS GUNNA GET A TIGHT JDM PLATNUM STAR YO!!!!

Yes i understand that. I was mearly providing an alternate veiw on 2 cars that are released in another country. In your post before my first one you had stopped talking about comparing the alltrac to the EVOs and STi's and were just comparing the latter two. That is when i thought my knowlage of JDM cars might be of interest.

yea i was doing that beucase SOMEONE ELSE brought up that they were similar and blah blah blah...i responded to him...sorry for whoring this guys thread, oh wait no i think that prize goes to you

Wow. Your so cool. Your trying to make me seem like a try hard ricer because i used the term "JDM." The JDM are the cars I get in my country so that is what i base my opinions and experiences from. I use the term JDM so you know that is the model im talking about. I dont use the term because its, as you put it "tight." I use it as a point of reference. Would it offend you less if next time I reffered to them as AUS spec?

lol i think i used jdm more times than you, does that make me rice? and yes AUS spec would help, but waht would help is if you could put it in parantahsis and quaotations with periods like this
("A.U.S")
thanks

But your succeeding so well anyway. I wonder how well you would go if you tried...

you should talk to my EX's

And thats all i was saying. I didnt think everyone on this board knew about AYC, the introduction of MIVEC, the fact that the STi's outside of America only have 2L engines. These boards are in place so people can learn something new.

okay then instead of whoring this thread make a new one and we will continue this argument there even tho its going nowhere

Well your argument was. Mine wasnt. I was trying to introduce new variables to the argument eg. What about a JDM, sorry, AUS spec EVO vs a USDM STi? Would it be a closer match? Would it be different if you used the EVO 9 instead of the 8? My posts were to designed for people to consider something different that they may not have considered before. If you didnt want to answer them, then dont. Dont fill up the forums with stupid hating.

how bout this....what if i put a turbo jet on a sti and left the jet stock then raced it against your ("A.U.S") evo, hunh thats something to consider...

Yes, as stated before I did get what you were comparing. I was comparing something different. Two different arguments buddy.

wait back up, isnt what ive ben saying the whole time? your making a COMPLETELY diffrent agrgument, u might as well went form us talking about eov8's vs sti's to 3000gt's and supras

Dude, seriously, calm the fuck down. I am so terribly sorry to ruffle your feathers with my posts. Trying to liken me to a ricer is a pretty lame way of trying to attack me. In your post you said that the STi was much better than the EVO. I wasnt sure if you knew about all the differences between the AUS spec and the USDM spec so i told you about them. No need to get all shitty about it at me for it so just let it go if you dont want to be reasonable about it.

lol no sweat off my sack, im not losing any sleep over your posts. when did i ever CALL you a ricer? please if you can find that put it in BIG BOLD QUOTATIONS FOR ME. okay THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING US ALL KNOW THAT THE ("A.U.S") or jdm evo is alot better OKAY WE FUCKING GET YOU....but AGAIN

usdm evo8 vs usdm sti

lol how am i being unreasonable when you were the first one to try and attack sombody?

im done talking to you, if you post agian im more than likely goign to ignore it...ive proven my point and you seem to be jumping around not being able to make one, so when (or if) you ever do, then mabe ill respond

EDIT: i really dont feel like getting banned after being here for oever 1 year, expecially sicne IM on here to help people not argue with someone

[91 Celica St]

Omg I Dont Think He Has A Comback Yet, And Its Been 20 Minuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SigmaProjects]

lol, man this is entertaining *roots for 91Celica ST* woo hoo go USDM! *raises USA Flag*. Hahah, great show guys. Can we compare an Evo 6 against a 2020 STi "Return of the Coupe", oh, you know it would be fun =P

[Yaggus]

cool yea a smoother tourqe curve would, i know beuase i said it....but hwo gives a fuck, how can you compare 2 cars when one isnt even out or been tested?

Well i have read several reviews on the EVO IX so it obviously is being tested. No, it hasnt been released yet but it HAS been tested.

DAMN THOUGHT I WAS GUNNA GET A TIGHT JDM PLATNUM STAR YO!!!!

So sorry to disappoint you.

yea i was doing that beucase SOMEONE ELSE brought up that they were similar and blah blah blah...i responded to him...sorry for whoring this guys thread, oh wait no i think that prize goes to you

I know why you brought it up. I never questioned why you brought it up. Thread whoring? You have posted 9 times in this post and I have posted 4 times. *Hands back award to 91 Celica St*

lol i think i used jdm more times than you, does that make me rice? and yes AUS spec would help, but waht would help is if you could put it in parantahsis and quaotations with periods like this
("A.U.S")
thanks

Seriously, if your going to try and make fun of me, at least spell it right.
"parenthesis and quotations"

you should talk to my EX's

I'll be right.

okay then instead of whoring this thread make a new one and we will continue this argument there even tho its going nowhere

By all means. One of the most sensible things that you have said so far. Feel free to PM me at any stage.

how bout this....what if i put a turbo jet on a sti and left the jet stock then raced it against your ("A.U.S") evo, hunh thats something to consider...

... Yes....

wait back up, isnt what ive ben saying the whole time? your making a COMPLETELY diffrent agrgument, u might as well went form us talking about eov8's vs sti's to 3000gt's and supras

I know i was making a different argument. Thats why I said I was making a different argument. The JDM varients are different. Thats what I was pointing out. Not just to you, but to everyone else who might not know as much as you appear to.

lol no sweat off my sack, im not losing any sleep over your posts. when did i ever CALL you a ricer? please if you can find that put it in BIG BOLD QUOTATIONS FOR ME. okay THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING US ALL KNOW THAT THE ("A.U.S") or jdm evo is alot better OKAY WE FUCKING GET YOU....but AGAIN

You never point blank called me a ricer but you inferred that i was. Which results in the same outcome. No problems letting you know it is better. If you want to know anymore, as said before please PM me.

lol how am i being unreasonable when you were the first one to try and attack sombody?

In my first post in regards to the whole EVO vs STi argument i never attacked you. I dont think I was even talking to you directly. I was talking to the board. You went and attacked my post because I mentioned a car that wasn't USDM spec and started swearing at me.

im done talking to you, if you post agian im more than likely goign to ignore it...ive proven my point and you seem to be jumping around not being able to make one, so when (or if) you ever do, then mabe ill respond

Well we actuallly both came to the conclusion that I had made my point. JDM EVOs are better than JDM STi's. You're more than welcome to try and take the moral highground by washing your hands of this discussion. But you have posted so I will respond.

EDIT: i really dont feel like getting banned after being here for oever 1 year, expecially sicne IM on here to help people not argue with someone

Thats cool. I dont want you to get banned. You seem to know your shit and I respect that. I want you to be able to help other members as much as possible.

Omg I Dont Think He Has A Comback Yet, And Its Been 20 Minuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. I generally only come on to the forums once a day.

Originally Posted by SigmaProjects

lol, man this is entertaining *roots for 91Celica ST* woo hoo go USDM! *raises USA Flag*. Hahah, great show guys. Can we compare an Evo 6 against a 2020 STi "Return of the Coupe", oh, you know it would be fun =P

Glad you're finding this whole shebang as entertaining as I am I'm not hating on the USDM stuff just trying to impart some knowlage on JDM stuff that, unfortunately,you guys miss out on

Have a good one!

-Anthony

[LaYzIeNoY]

you know what i think is weird

how no matter which forum your in, this EVO vs STi arguement comes up

its retarded to argue about his to each his own

you can't change a persons mind with a bunch of this says thats this says this

they each have their good points and their bad points

[91 Celica St]

lol

k yes i even agree jdm evos are better than stis...just look at their race heritage...but when it comes to rally,s how many WRC championhips ash the STI won compared to the evo, thats what i thoguht...

again, i dont hate the evo, www.iveytune.com/AMS%20short.MPG
there are some very fast and good handeling evos out there, i would just prefer a sti over the evo

[SigmaProjects]

i just wish they would give us back a coupe version of either, I know the evo's were never coupes but they did have a lancer coupe over here, it was called a Mirage.

[91 Celica St]

evo mr is alright, OZ edition is a complete wast of money, new guage piece and oz (14 inch might i add) rims with shit tires...and its $2k more? has same suspension and everything else as the lancer es edition with a shitty powerband it peask real quick

if i remeber correctly what magazine it was in ill try to add it but they had a built OZ edition, like built to the moon and it only made 290 hp on 23 lbs of boost....and it only ran a 12 high, thats pretty weak for being maxxed out, but impressive to say the least

[Yaggus]

Originally Posted by 91 Celica St

lol

k yes i even agree jdm evos are better than stis...just look at their race heritage...but when it comes to rally,s how many WRC championhips ash the STI won compared to the evo, thats what i thoguht...

again, i dont hate the evo, www.iveytune.com/AMS%20short.MPG
there are some very fast and good handeling evos out there, i would just prefer a sti over the evo

No worries

*passes peace pipe to 91 Celica St*

i just wish they would give us back a coupe version of either, I know the evo's were never coupes but they did have a lancer coupe over here, it was called a Mirage.

All of the non turbo FWD Lancers are coupes in Aust. The hatchback version was called the Mirage. I know of a few people who have done the conversion to AWD with an engine swap thus giving a coupe EVO!

Sorry to bring up the whole not in America thing, but they did release a coupe WRX STi over here. Ill try to dig some stuff on them up. It was only a limited release of 200 or so.

[91 Celica St]

ahh found it its august issue of super street
lol its the stock 4g93 (preety sure thats the code for it)
-20G turbo
-both head and bottem ends were built, cammed, and forged
-standalone EMS (AEM EMS)
-2 was lsd tranny

basically completely built and only had 290 WHP at 6,200 rpm (lol) and 325lb of tq at 5,600 rpm (even worse) and it only ran a 12.93 at 106

http://roadracemotorsports.com/
website for it, the yellow one in tha banner is it too