getting my 20g setup soon. Questions.

[kjewer1]

I dont get paid enough to explain all of the differences between the two units. No one explained it to me, for whatever that's worth. If you are not willing to just take our word for it (and I have used both extensively), do the research, make the choice.

Not having a laptop is a piss poor excuse. You cant use a AFC without a logger. That means you need a laptop, or a palm device. DSMlink will run on both.

You can feel free to get the AFC and logger and save that ~300 bucks if you like. But when you are having trouble tuning there is not much I can do to help. Ask others who have tried. It takes so much time for me to explain why the tuning is so half assed with piggy back devices, I either don't bother, or don't provide enough information. To be honest it frustrates the hell out of me. Thigns just "make sense" with DSMlink. Not to mention being able to log boost, WBO2, etc. Things you could never do with a simple device like an AFC. All of the info those things provide make tuning much safer and much easier. Anyone that is on the DSMlink forums has seen my replies to tuning questions and logs that poeple post. They can tell you that I can be far more helpful there than I ever am here. Why? Because I have enough information available to make an educated suggestion. Tuning with a piggy back with only timing and stock O2 voltage data available is a very risky venture, imagine how reluctant I am to do it over the internet!

That being said I will try to highlight what I feel are the most significant features of DSMlink, from memory. For more detail and the full list just see the site.

1 - NOT a piggy back. No lying to the ECU. All adjustments are made inside the stock ECU programming, just like a standalone.

2 - Full featured data logger that logs about 100 times faster than any OBD2 device, like pocketlogger. Much better graphical user interface. Many more things can be logged, including knock, which is NOT an option on OBD2 loggers.

3 - Ability to log external sensors like WBO2, boost, fuel pressure, etc. Again, just not an option with piggy backs.

4 - Control over timing in adition to fuel. Adjusting fuel by adjusting airflow (afc) adjust timing as well, but in the WRONG DIRECTION. Its quite unsafe.

5 - Fuel adjustments are made to IOT/IPW, not airflow. 1600 cc injectors will idle like stock. Not so with an afc.

6 - Unbelieveable tech support from the two creators of DSMlink. I'm not going to waste my talking about. But I will continue to take advantage of thier forums every day. All the intelligence of NABR without the arrogance.

7 - Stutter box launching you can get from a chip. Adjustable antilag you can not. And you arent getting a chip anyway...

8 - Misfire detection can be disabled, along with all other emissions related DTCs. No CELs for stupid shit. I originally went to DSMlink because I do not feel safe running anything larger than a 16g on a car that has a 6 bolt conversion and a baro wire mod. Safety is key. Motors are expensive.

9 - Diagnostic abilities. If my car has a problem, there is no guess work. There is enough info available to properly and quickly diagnose issues. Where do you guys think I leanred so much about DSM idle speed control system? It wasnt from a pocketlogger and dsmtooners.

The list just goes on an on... But these are the big things. Naturally you get all the other advantages of chips like higher rev limits, etc.

You can choose either one, it does not affect my life or slow my car down. All I ask is that poeple, especially those that already have EPROM ECUs, strongly consider both options, and make an educated decision.

Good luck.

[MoozillaGSX]

ok now what the hell is an EPROM ECU ?? can anyone simply tell me what to go out an look at to figure out if i have one or not ??

and what does this mean if i have an EPROM ECU??

does it mean i can buy DSMlink and just plug it in to my car ?? ( probably with a friend that knows better than i do )

and besides DSMlink what all do i need to us it ? do i HAVE to have a laptop ??

and if so anyone know where i can get one for cheap ??

im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better. but if it affect the life span of my car then i will try hard to budget it.

once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )

i make about 1k a month. and i have through sept to spend on my car. ill be moving probably in OCT. this is my delema. and why im being such a cheap skate.

and i apriciate the PM you sent me GuitarXgeek.

[EclipseRST]

Ok everyone needs to stop the pissing match! Moozilla, your asking for help. They have explained what is better 5 times now. I dont get what took you so long to realize which one is better.

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

ya i guess i should get a bigger brain so that i dont have to ask questions when i dont understand things anymore huh ?...yep thats what i think ill do.

No, you dont need a bigger brain, you just need to learn the use of the search button. There are plenty of threads on DSMlink in this forum and there is a DSMlink website with all the info you could ask for on there. Search next time and dont get pissed off at people for trying to help you and tell you what is best.

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

ok now what the hell is an EPROM ECU ?? can anyone simply tell me what to go out an look at to figure out if i have one or not ??

and what does this mean if i have an EPROM ECU??

Kevin explained what to do earlier in this thread. Eprom ECU's are the only ECU's that can be rechipped to work with DSMlink. If you have one, that means you dont have to find one. Here is how to tell:

Originally Posted by 95 GSXracer

At www.tmo.com there are directions and pics for seeing if you have an eprom ECU. At www.dsmlink.com there is a bunch of info and screen shots, you can even download the software and play with it.

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

does it mean i can buy DSMlink and just plug it in to my car ?? ( probably with a friend that knows better than i do )

and besides DSMlink what all do i need to us it ? do i HAVE to have a laptop ??

and if so anyone know where i can get one for cheap ??

1. No, you need to send in the ECU to have the DSMlink chip put in. Then you can just plug it in and go.

2. Laptop or Palm Pilot (PDA)

3. www.ebay.com

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better. but if it affect the life span of my car then i will try hard to budget it.

once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )

i make about 1k a month. and i have through sept to spend on my car. ill be moving probably in OCT. this is my delema. and why im being such a cheap skate.

and i apriciate the PM you sent me GuitarXgeek.

If your trying to be cheap and you dont have a lot of money, why did you choose to mod an DSM? I hope you have some money stashed away for when the time comes and it breaks down. DSMs are somewhat reliable when they are stock, but when you start modding them you can kiss that reliability good-bye. If your going to mod it I suggest stay at home for a few more months and get some money for back up. Either that or get a beater car. I cant count how many times I have been left stranded or without a car for months on end. Like right now, my turbo is fucked up, snapped the shaft in 2. Bam, just like that... $500 to fix it and I'm out of a car. Luckily I bought a truck last year so I still have a daily driver. Just a heads up before you come back here in a few months asking what to do if and when the car breaks.


If there is something between you and GuitarXgeek or you want to resume this pissing match, keep it to the PM's. I dont want to see it in this forum.

[guitarXgeek]

Originally Posted by EclipseRST

If there is something between you and GuitarXgeek or you want to resume this pissing match, keep it to the PM's. I dont want to see it in this forum.

It's already been cleared up, via PM's. Everything is cool now. You know we're all good little angels on this forum

[EclipseRST]

You better be... Or I'll have to pull out my keyboard and ban ya all!

[l_eclipse_l]

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

ok now what the hell is an EPROM ECU ?? can anyone simply tell me what to go out an look at to figure out if i have one or not ??

and what does this mean if i have an EPROM ECU??

does it mean i can buy DSMlink and just plug it in to my car ?? ( probably with a friend that knows better than i do )

and besides DSMlink what all do i need to us it ? do i HAVE to have a laptop ??

and if so anyone know where i can get one for cheap ??

im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better. but if it affect the life span of my car then i will try hard to budget it.

once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )

i make about 1k a month. and i have through sept to spend on my car. ill be moving probably in OCT. this is my delema. and why im being such a cheap skate.

and i apriciate the PM you sent me GuitarXgeek.

1. EPROM ECU - Search

2. We are not the bottom of a cracker jack box where you find a prize, you can search for your own deals. Why would somebody spend the time to find you a deal, when they could be spending that time finding shit for themselves. You have a computer and internet, use a search engine, or for god sakes go to ebay.

3. "im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better."

Once again, the information is there for you to put forth the effort to look for. Stop being lazy and find shit for yourself. If you are so poor, then stop bitching about buying a whole new setup for your car. There are people who can barely pay their insurance and gas, and your complaining about spending a bunch of money on shit you dont need.

4. "once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )"

Are you dropping every dime you earn on mods for your car? WTF is wrong with you. Meet other expenses and plan for things to go wrong, that way if they do, your not shit outa luck. If I were you, I would stop what you are doing right now, because your budget will not support it. If you know the bills are gonna be coming, they why arn't you saving up for them. Have you learned nothing from basic economics?

Don't take this the wrong way. Read and digest everything I wrote, and think about it. This is your life. You can do whatever the fuck you want, but the track your on right now is gonna be a bumpy one if you are in the spot you say you are, and blowing all your money on bigger turbos and injectors. Meet the needs of life before you blow your wadd on toys.

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by l_eclipse_l

...blah blah blah...

Hey... I said enough with the pissing match! If you want to fill him in on anything you think he should know, keep it to the PM's. His questions have already been answered so there is no need to repeat everything other people have said and jump all over him like that. Was swearing really all that helpful? Lay off it.

Next person that starts peeing where they're not suppose to is going to get a vacation! We lax up here on the rules just a little bit and shit goes to hell. Com'on guys... Keep it in line.

[JoeWagon]

Lets remember the 1g guys who invented all of the free mods. You can be as cheap as you want. 14b, datalogger, palm, old style AFC and some basic mods will teach you how to tune. It will also make you realize why DSMlink is much more desirable. If any of 95 GSXracer's post made sense, there is twice as much to list in features.

[l_eclipse_l]

Originally Posted by EclipseRST

Hey... I said enough with the pissing match! If you want to fill him in on anything you think he should know, keep it to the PM's. His questions have already been answered so there is no need to repeat everything other people have said and jump all over him like that. Was swearing really all that helpful? Lay off it.

Next person that starts peeing where they're not suppose to is going to get a vacation! We lax up here on the rules just a little bit and shit goes to hell. Com'on guys... Keep it in line.

Is that all you got out of it Mr. Mod? About 2 sentences of it were his questions, the rest of it was shit nobody has said, which I felt he should hear from somebody. Agreed, should have PM'd him though. Will next time.

BTW, did you have a bad night? LoL Your not usually so uptight.

[MoozillaGSX]

wow, this is kinda stupid i dont post to often on this forum and when i do get jumped all over.

me and GuitarXgeek are kool now we apologized in PM's long before the rest of you guys came in a jumped all over my ass.

i guess ill just post any questions ii have elsewhere unless i have to from now on cause it always seems like my questions are to stupid for ,not all but some of you guys. Sorry i got you guys all wound up.

i just come here when im not understanding things or when im obviously missing something in hope to get filled in properly here, but whatever.

I do Apriciate the life lesson in all Eclipse but i come here for car information not life lessons ( no sarcasm )

any ways right after my last post i went back through the links Kevin posted me and i found a section i had over looked while going through it before about the EPROM ECU.

anyways it doesnt seem to say where to find the ECU so im going to assume its somewhere on the insides panels like my buddies car. and start their.

and even if it does i wont be purchasing the DSMlink now, ill get it later on when i save up a lil cash for it, but i figure it would be nice to know if i can for future reference.

thanks for the help guys.

[Whathits14]

Side kick panels, you will need to remove both of them to get the ecu out. You have a 95 turbo so you should have a eprom. Get a screwdriver, take out like 4 screws or however many there are... on each side, remove the panel, the harness clips on and off so its easy to remove. Send it to them, you get it back, snap it back into the harness and you are ready to go. You don't need a laptop, or a palm for that matter, but you should plan on picking one up if you actually want to get any use out of your new toy. And nothing could be truer about DSM's starting to break.....I had my dsmlink in for...2 days before something fucked itself up in my motor, no I was not being stupid and making unsafe changes to my ecu....which you can do VERY quickly with dsmlink if you don't know what you are doing...but just goes to show that these cars will break down when you start to screw with them.

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

wow, this is kinda stupid i dont post to often on this forum and when i do get jumped all over.

Whatever man. Dont start that crap. I just went through all 123 post of yours and this is the only thread you got jumped on. There was one other one but someone just said "Were's the report post button" and that was it.

Originally Posted by MoozillaGSX

me and GuitarXgeek are kool now we apologized in PM's long before the rest of you guys came in a jumped all over my ass.

i guess ill just post any questions ii have elsewhere unless i have to from now on cause it always seems like my questions are to stupid for ,not all but some of you guys. Sorry i got you guys all wound up.

i just come here when im not understanding things or when im obviously missing something in hope to get filled in properly here, but whatever.

Good, I'm glad you took care of it. I didnt jump on your ass about anything. I simply stated search before you post. The only other person that got on your case was |_eclipse_|.

If you really want to post elsewhere then that is fine. There has been maybe one thread where someone has actually said "this is a stupid topic". Everyone at some point in time posts something stupid. No need to get all pissy about it.

If you want to get filled in, that is fine, we will help you with whatever you need. All I ask of you or anyone else is that you search before you post! If you find a thread talking about the same thing and you still dont get it then post in it. Bring it back from however long ago, that is fine. There is just no reason to make multiple threads on the same thing.

Do what you will, if you continue to stay here great, but dont get all wound up if someone jumps all over you about 1 topic.

Originally Posted by |_eclipse_|

BTW, did you have a bad night? LoL Your not usually so uptight.

No... not a bad night, just decided to enforce some rules for once since I havent been around much and things seem to get out of hand when the mods arent here.

[MoozillaGSX]

anyways back on track here, i found my ECU and i found the E in the lower hand corner of it, i didnt even have to remove any panles i just got down their ( upside-down ) and i used my MAG lite and a finger to clear off some dust lol. ( unfortunatly i live on a dirt road )

and more good news i just bought the last section of parts on my list to make my stage one list complete. now all i need to do is wate like a pup near the front door to deliver the goods! . then ill take my Clutch and my Timing kit down to a buddy i know who will do a perfect job for a good price in short time for less cash than most people that dont even have good rep's yet.

so i have my Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch - Fidanza Flywheel - Timing Kit - 20g Turbo ( clip'd ported ) - intake - Exhast Mani + External flange ( Ported ) - 38mm external waste gate ( custom dump tube ) - ported 02 housing - 3" down pipe to a 3" test pipe back though a 3" greddy exhast system. and i have all the means to manage this system except my AFC and injectors....and im finalized im just getting my 550cc's and an SAFC2. ill get DSMlink later now that i know for sure that i have a EPROM ECU

now the only thing missing from this thread is the big ass smile on my face !!

[JoeWagon]

Watch those injectors. Hope you can get DSMlink and some 720s or larger asap.

[MoozillaGSX]

Originally Posted by JoeWagon

Watch those injectors. Hope you can get DSMlink and some 720s or larger asap.

whys that ? the guy im buying the setup from ran 550's.