Canada Lawmakers OK Gay Marriage Bill

[want a supra]

So Gotti you say gay acts and "other" things such as gay wedding should not be in church?

[AlmostStock]

Each church can decide for themselves to allow or not allow gay weddings. I would guess most would not allow it and that's fine. That is their right. A marriage (or wedding) is a state institution that has nothing to do with any god or church. That's what we're talking about here.

[drewh4386]

I'll just say it like this.

Not to bash gay people but if if it was really "right" to marry and love another of the same sex, Why isn't there just one sex? Everybody would be asexual(sp)
That would solve everything then. I say if women like women, then there would be no need for men and vice-versa. It would be pointless. God created a man and a women. (at least that what they tell me) Not a man and a man.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

Each church can decide for themselves to allow or not allow gay weddings. I would guess most would not allow it and that's fine. That is their right. A marriage (or wedding) is a state institution that has nothing to do with any god or church. That's what we're talking about here.

Hammer meet nail.

[Gotti]

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

A marriage (or wedding) is a state institution that has nothing to do with any god or church. That's what we're talking about here.

Are you serious? A wedding is the bonding of 2 people before god. Thats what it has been for thousands of years. If it didnt have anything to do with god or church, i wouldnt have any problem with gays doing it. Thats why i said, let them have their civil unions, but keep it out of the church. Call it something else.

[AlmostStock]

Originally Posted by Gotti

Are you serious? A wedding is the bonding of 2 people before god. Thats what it has been for thousands of years. If it didnt have anything to do with god or church, i wouldnt have any problem with gays doing it. Thats why i said, let them have their civil unions, but keep it out of the church. Call it something else.

Are you serious?

Thousands of people are married by the state outside of any church every year. They are legally married just the same as anyone in any church. That's because even if you are married in a church, marriage is first a state sponsored and recognized institution.

Like I previously stated every church has the right to not allow any marriage they do not like including gay marriage. But that is a different subject than the state allowing or not allowing it.

[Knifeblade]

LMFAO, this is bound to get locked soon. At least they can't reproduce as nature intended. Take it, OZ.

Think Ellen Dengeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, etc. At least they refuse to bring a child into the world by natural means.

C'mon OZ, lock this.

[AlmostStock]

Originally Posted by Knifeblade_03

LMFAO, this is bound to get locked soon...

...C'mon OZ, lock this.

Locked for what? I see no personal attacks or anything like that.

[illegal_eagle187]

this is a legitimate argument, there is no need to lock it........getting married has nothing to do with religion, its about law, and state, not everybody who gets married believes in any type of religion

[Knifeblade]

Cool deal, at least there are some members willing to discourse in an adult manner to the topic.

Seriously, I am impressed. My compliments to you two, seriously!!!!!!!!!

I do, for sake of the discussion, rebut the thought that a same-sex marriage should be legal.

My opinion is that it is not a natural occurence, with no propagation available.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by Knifeblade_03

My opinion is that it is not a natural occurence, with no propagation available.

Okay, lets see, how can love and the wish for a stable married relationship possibly be considered to be an unnatural occurence?

As for propegation....my wife cannot have children for medical reasons and therefore cannot propegate. Does this mean she too has no right to get married?

Personally, I am in support of the legislation.

Its a rights and freedoms issue. Gay people have the right to be happy and to do what makes them happy to the same extent that straight people have. To deny them the option of obtaining all the rights and priveleges associated with marriage is pure discrimination, which (last time I looked) is against the law!

To put a human face on this, my home city (Toronto) has tens of thousands of gay people living here. I am happy and proud that they now have the marriage option open to them. These people have all the same feelings and capacity to love and be happy as you or me. If your friend or family member were gay, wouldn't you want them to be happy? In turn, why should we deny happiness to strangers?

Marriage increases stability in society by encouraging people to take legal responsibility for their partners and engage in longer relationships.

Also, I am impressed and proud that Canada has embraced such a fundamental freedom when other countries (that state how great their own freedoms are) do not.

[drewh4386]

No discrimination here...I know what being discriminated against feels like. I just don't think it promotes a healthy environment for people who don't understand the issue. Children I should say. Fairly tales don't end happly ever after with gay people marrying. And if they did would every child think its ok to be gay? I do understand that some people can't help but to be homosexual its not a issue of we don't know who gays feel cause we all do and should. They feel what we feel except for the same sex. Some people watch too much hollywood. Where everything always works out.

[MagicRat]

I expect there are going to be gay divorces with the associated gay versions of spousal support and all the other problems associated with any marriage.
IMHO people in society, gay or straight do not take marriage seriouslty enough, hence our high divorce rate.
But that is a different problem. At least gay people should have the right to choose to get married, whether its a mistake or not.

As for children......tolerance of others, reagardless of race, disability, orientation etc. is the important lesson. The rest is a bit trickier. One would want the kids to know and understand that being straight is more normal and is the easier route to take if given a choice. That is a bit difficult to do without making an unwanted value judgement on gay people.
However, every gay person I have ever known would want the best for children and accepts that society is geared for straight people, and if given a choice, knows that to be brought up straight is the preferred option for children.

[drewh4386]

Samething from the gay people i knew back in school. Nobody should be denied happiness. But there are limit and loops in everything. Can't make everybody in the world happy. :-/

It not like gays are not important cause gays are people too. Its just weird that way.

[Knifeblade]

Fair enough, good points all around.

however, even if the male or the female is "barren", the opportunity for natural procreation still exists.

It does not exist for same-sex "marriages", by nature's diefinition.