B18c5 Vs K20

[jcrx]

With a fucking D series cost can go well beyond the $500 it cost to get the motor, so guess what, add all those "hidden extra" cost to a fucking ITR motor or a K20A and guess what, now those cost $7000 to $10,000. How is a H22 going to have any extra hidden cost that any other motor isn't? IT'S NOT Swapping in a B series can be a 3500 affair also. And I mention a H22 because it is an option. And option that happens to put down the same if not more power for less fucking money. An option that someone that wants 200hp should consider.

And 95whitehb, could you get me two bottles of NOS, make it the big ones would ya. If it isn't capable of a 10 second time slip and at the same time going to get groceries at the store, it isn't a daily drivable 10 second car.

[CivicSpoon]

I might have been a little confusing in what I ment to say. I was just saying that someone who is getting the swap done could infact pay $4-6G's easily. However, if you shop around for prices on parts and do the swap yourself; you could do it for a bit cheaper (under $3,500 with everything). I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea here. And also even though the Hasport mounts are $450 from HMO when you buy the swap from them, you can buy HCP mounts for $350 and save $100 more . And I failed when I mentioned some other stuff (maintenance stuff). I ment to clearify that you definently need all that stuff anyways, for any swap. But it's also why even doing a ITR swap will be more expensive than the price of the "complete swap"; the price still adds up. Just wanted to make it more clear that I agree with both sides of the discussion, just depends on the scenario.

[jcrx]

And that's my point, every swap has "hidden cost" that boost it above advertised price, anyone that has actually done a swap will tell you that.

[CivicSpoon]

But the H22a still has more not-so-hidden costs over the B-series swaps. Mounts and suspension (a must for the swap, or you'll just blow your $ on tires every few months).
I agree with the H22a over K-series and ITR, and B-series over H22a for a first time swapper (if someone was doing the swap themselves).

[95whitehb]

Originally Posted by jcrx

And 95whitehb, could you get me two bottles of NOS, make it the big ones would ya. If it isn't capable of a 10 second time slip and at the same time going to get groceries at the store, it isn't a daily drivable 10 second car.

yes, extra costs and too be accounted for, for any swap. however, neither a k or a b requires as much change as an h... ,or f, for that matter. why? because the integra, rsx, and civic front assembly/ engine bays are very similar to nearly identical; so plopping in a d,b, or k-series will require less change (less money-except k, b/c newness of motor) then dropping in a h or f-series, which are made for accords.
i personally did and jdm itr swap, and it cost a little less than 4,000.oo. with new hoses, fuel pump, etc.... and i've known people who put h22's into the same car, it cost 4500.00 or more. even dropping it in themselves. which, kool i thought about an h22... but my plus w/the itr, i can sell the motor/tranny for 4000.00-4500.00 today if i wanted. you can't do that w/an h22.
and yes, you can say you have a 10 sec. car that is streetable, even if you turn the boost down to drive around daily. this is very different from saying you have a 10sec. street car; that would be saying you can run 10's every day, on the street, plus drive it to get groceries. but seeing as i didn't say that... i said it is streetable...

[jcrx]

Thanks for proving you're a moron...

neither a k or a b requires as much change as an h... ,or f, for that matter. why? because the integra, rsx, and civic front assembly/ engine bays are very similar to nearly identical; so plopping in a d,b, or k-series will require less change (less money-except k, b/c newness of motor) then dropping in a h or f-series,

A FUCKING K SERIES FACES THE OTHER WAY, REQUIRES CUSTOM MOUNTS, CUSTOM HEADER, CUSTOM WIRING HARNESS, AXLES, SHIFTLINKAGE!!!!

Now that we have established that you have no fucking clue, could you get on with not posting any more bullshit about 10 second daily driver B16As?

[jcrx]

An no, you said there were a few guys in your town that had built 10 daily driven B16As, "not streetable 10 second cars", of course there are plently of streetable 10 second cars, just not B16A powered Civics. And yes, for it to be a 10 second daily, it has to be a 10 second daily, otherwise any car is a fucking 10 second daily. Where's my bottles?

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Here's a few builds and time...not a lot of 10 second B16As there, not a lot of 10 second B's at all., Oh here's a video of a 10 second (barely) B16A (maybe) 99-00 Si, think that is streetable?

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[Ace$nyper]

hahah I'm so glad Jcrx is back the Hammer that is Common Sence.

I'd like to know how you got a JDM itr swap done for 4K

[jcrx]

The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down

[95whitehb]

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

hahah I'm so glad Jcrx is back the Hammer that is Common Sence.

I'd like to know how you got a JDM itr swap done for 4K

^ i did it myself, and got the swap from a friend.

A FUCKING K SERIES FACES THE OTHER WAY, REQUIRES CUSTOM MOUNTS, CUSTOM HEADER, CUSTOM WIRING HARNESS, AXLES, SHIFTLINKAGE!!!!

^ i didnt say it didn't. all i said was that the engine bay is similar to civics and integras.

[95whitehb]

oh yea, you don't need custom mounts - they sell mounts for k-series into civic's (for 400.00 the same as the h22 into civic mounts). so besides the header, shift linkage, and wiring harness. the custom work is just about the same, give or take, as you'd need for an h or f-series. plus you get a better motor, if u have the money for it. and if i tons of money laying around, i'd gladly send you your bottles of nos, except i'm not a fan of laughing gas.

[CivicSpoon]

I believe he ment custom mounts as in not just stock ones (from any vehicle); not that you have to fabricate them. And you're digging yourself deeper with your contradictions:

however, neither a k or a b requires as much change as an h... ,or f, for that matter.

so besides the... the custom work is just about the same, give or take, as you'd need for an h or f-series.

So the k-series doesn't need as much change as an H or F-series, but it needs just as much as the H or F-series? The K-series engines need more parts and work done to get them into a Civic than an H or F-series, hands down. And I haven't seen any K-series mounts for under $520, doesn't mean they don't exist but I have yet to see them. And if they are generic e-bay mounts, then they don't even count (anyone who uses e-bay generic mounts should just sell their engine and stick with a stock one).

[95whitehb]

u r right, sorry, i ment d,b will need less change than a k,h, or f.... but the h,k,and f need custom work... however the amount of custom work is pretty close the same. just more money for the k parts b/c of newness and rarity of the swap being done.
then by his definition of custom mounts, most every swap needs at least one custom mount.the mounts were 400.00 - 450.00 shipped; not ebay.
but n e ways- n e who; to the thread starter.... i'd go w/the itr - cheaper, u get the 200hp (jdm), and u can bore it out to get more torque if u want- but if ya got the dough- go k

[97integrals]

Wow this was an interesting thread! I personally wouldn't swap in either motor I would just drop in a gsr and be done with it, but that is just my opinion. But the k series is by far the more difficult swap and most expensive. And the whole 10sec b16 well I think jcrx pretty much covered my thoughts on that topic.

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by 95whitehb

u r right, sorry, i ment d,b will need less change than a k,h, or f.... but the h,k,and f need custom work... however the amount of custom work is pretty close the same. just more money for the k parts b/c of newness and rarity of the swap being done.

The amount of work is not the same to swap a K series into a Civic as an H22. Have you even the faintest clue how big of a pain it is to wire one of those things in?

then by his definition of custom mounts, most every swap needs at least one custom mount.the mounts were 400.00 - 450.00 shipped;

Don't ever try to use you "intellect" to imply that I meant something , or assume what my fucking definition of something is. A custom mount is one made by you or someone else to place a motor in a car that no existing OEM mount can, aka K series or H series in a Civic, hence it's custom made for that swap. At least check prices before opening your filthy cocksucker. Assuming I am playing your game and only using brand new pricing H series =$600 K series = $640. So no, not every swap needs at least one custom mount.





Still waiting on my two bottles, the big ones.